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[U376977]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Nevermind anything I previosly posted... have at him TroubleMaker. I hate the kinda attitude shown above just as much as you do.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Case and point!!!!

No wait, is it "Case and point" or "Case in point"? Now I'm confused again!

Anyway, you've made my point perfectly!! You have a monopoly on the name of Jesus. All those other idiots are hypocrites!

I did not call them "idiots" or "hypocrites." I said they use the name SOMEWHAT hypocritically by only using it in prayer and not baptism; to deny it in water baptism yet use it in prayers is just not being honest to their own stand against it in baptism and is not logical. Anyone willing to accept his name can freely partake, no denomination or group has a "monopoly."

Just a couple of questions.....

If there is no difference in Jesus Name belivers and, say Methodists, then why was our brother Servantes burned at the stake for the doctrine of Jesus name?

Take a challege and go to any Baptist or Assembly church, tell the pastor you believe in Ac 2:38 baptism and you want to attend there and teach a Sunday School class, or lead a prison ministry, you will be told very quicly to keep your doctrine to yourself because they believe in the Trinity! If we are the same why would they do that?

Try to send your children to a local christian Baptist school, put on the application you members of the local Apostolic Church, see if the child gets accepted?

If we are all the same, why did one of the leading (at the time) Assembly preaches, Swaggert, put out a teaching titled The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine and was not rebuked for it by his leaders? Simple, because they agree that we are in error.

Why does one of the leading apologists of the Trinnies, Martin, call us "heretics" if we are all the same people having the same name?

I am not saying they are not good people. I am not saying they are lost and going to hell. But there is a difference and it is not demonational or political. It is biblical and spiritual.

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by U376977

I did not call them "idiots" or "hypocrites." I said they use the name SOMEWHAT hypocritically by only using it in prayer and not baptism; to deny it in water baptism yet use it in prayers is just not being honest to their own stand against it in baptism and is not logical. Anyone willing to accept his name can freely partake, no denomination or group has a "monopoly."

Just a couple of questions.....

If there is no difference in Jesus Name belivers and, say Methodists, then why was our brother Servantes burned at the stake for the doctrine of Jesus name?

Take a challege and go to any Baptist or Assembly church, tell the pastor you believe in Ac 2:38 baptism and you want to attend there and teach a Sunday School class, or lead a prison ministry, you will be told very quicly to keep your doctrine to yourself because they believe in the Trinity! If we are the same why would they do that?

Try to send your children to a local christian Baptist school, put on the application you members of the local Apostolic Church, see if the child gets accepted?

If we are all the same, why did one of the leading (at the time) Assembly preaches, Swaggert, put out a teaching titled The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine and was not rebuked for it by his leaders? Simple, because they agree that we are in error.

Why does one of the leading apologists of the Trinnies, Martin, call us "heretics" if we are all the same people having the same name?

I am not saying they are not good people. I am not saying they are lost and going to hell. But there is a difference and it is not demonational or political. It is biblical and spiritual.

Ok, you didn't call them "hypocrites", you called them "somewhat hypocrites." Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm thinking that maybe the reason they pray in Jesus' name but baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is because the bible says to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Just a thought.

I realize that verse isn't quoted much in "Apostolic" circles, but check it out sometime. You might enjoy it.

So tell me, if you're not saying they are bad people or are going to hell, what are you saying? What about them? Are they saved or lost? Tell me straight up and don't do the "they're in God's hands, I'm not the judge" answer.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by U376977

Try to send your children to a local christian Baptist school, put on the application you members of the local Apostolic Church, see if the child gets accepted?

We have done this several times, and our children were always accepted with no problem. Many people in our church do, or have in the past, send their children to private schools run by other denominations. There's never been an issue.

We've joined homeschool organizations where you have to sign a statement of faith. Some of them specify that you believe in three persons of the trinity. We put a notation in there that we believe in three manifestations, but not three separate people. We were accepted with no problem.... actually, the president sent a note back that that's what they believe, too.

I know that wasn't the total point of your post, but just wanted to clear that part up.

[*AQuietPlace*]

In many cases where trinitarians reject 'oneness' doctrine, it is because they think 'oneness' people don't accept Jesus as truly God.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Sam

Well, maybe we're trying to follow the old adage, "If you can't say something good, don't say anything at all."

Or maybe:
"There's so much good in the worst of us,
and so much bad in the best of us,
it doesn't behoove any of us
to talk about the rest of us."

One of my favorites!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

I'm thinking that maybe the reason they pray in Jesus' name but baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is because the bible says to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Just a thought.

Scripture and verse please ?!? It gave the command in those words but can you give scripture where it actually happened ? Maybe the diciples done it wrong ?!?

[U376977]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

We have done this several times, and our children were always accepted with no problem. Many people in our church do, or have in the past, send their children to private schools run by other denominations. There's never been an issue.

We've joined homeschool organizations where you have to sign a statement of faith. Some of them specify that you believe in three persons of the trinity. We put a notation in there that we believe in three manifestations, but not three separate people. We were accepted with no problem.... actually, the president sent a note back that that's what they believe, too.

I know that wasn't the total point of your post, but just wanted to clear that part up.

You are right of course, there are many Christian schools where it is not an issue. I was speaking from my personal experience with my child. Of course, there could have been other reasons why he was rejected other than us listing JC Full Gospel as our home church. But the application was submitted AFTER the other testing and it was an all go until the application, and when we returned to the school after submitting the app. where was a very different attitude by the staff. I knew it was over.
Perhaps they had accepted Apostolics before and some "dear brother, or sister" created a controversy????

[U376977]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Ok, you didn't call them "hypocrites", you called them "somewhat hypocrites." Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

No you don't and I don't think you want to. One more time, I said, "somewhat hypocritically."
I'll try to make it as simple as possible for you. That does not mean they are hypocrites; it does not mean they are not sincere in their devotion to Jesus Christ. It means that they are not being intellectually true to their belief in Matt. 28:19 and their refutation of Ac. 2:38.

Why do many of the "independant" and "big name" preachers, (such as Jakes) say they believe in the name yet will not use their televison time to preach it, if all the denominations have the name, why would they not?

I"m through with this thread. You seem to be true to your name and are just trying to be a "trouble maker" but I'm not playing anymore.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by U376977

You are right of course, there are many Christian schools where it is not an issue. I was speaking from my personal experience with my child. Of course, there could have been other reasons why he was rejected other than us listing JC Full Gospel as our home church. But the application was submitted AFTER the other testing and it was an all go until the application, and when we returned to the school after submitting the app. where was a very different attitude by the staff. I knew it was over.
Perhaps they had accepted Apostolics before and some "dear brother, or sister" created a controversy????

That's a possibility.

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by scotty

Scripture and verse please ?!? It gave the command in those words but can you give scripture where it actually happened ? Maybe the diciples done it wrong ?!?

Are you serious?? I said they baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit because the bible said to do so. I said that because it does. The scripture and verse is:

Book
Matthew

Chapter
Twenty-eight (28)

Verse
Nineteen (19)

Words Spoken By
Jesus


Maybe the disciples "done it wrong"? Nice.