The Pentecostal "Prayer Througher"

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

Some years back a young man named Verbal Bean was famous for "praying many through" to the Holy Ghost. From what I understand he used a made up word something like "Willadeau" that he had them repeat several times and then called it speaking with tongues.

I have had three responses to this post questioning its accuracy.

Notice, I said, "From what I understand...." I do not have proof and, what's worse, I may have said this about Verbal Bean when it may have been Joe Duke. I thought I had heard that about Verbal Bean and I thought it had also been confirmed on one of these forums, BUT,
I may be wrong.

If anyone knows for sure that I am wrong about Verbal Bean in what I've said, please let me know. I know he was highly thought of among Conservatives. I have read three of his books: Prayer; The Works of the Holy Ghost; and Battlefield. I think that may be all that are available.

[simplyme]

How 'bout the types that PUSH on a person as they're laying hands on them
at the altar or somewhere in front?
So that they can SEEM to fall under the(ir) annointing?
To ME it reeks of "grandstanding" on the part of the one doing the 'layin on'.

It really makes no sense (spiritual sense that is) 4
It is GOD (not man or woman) whom gives the
increase, WHY? do some want to take the credit?
Plain ole common sense alone should be sufficient for even a mere sinner to "get it"
that its GOD alone whom gives of HIMself.
That only GOD is to get honor & glory is something that any spiritual person KNOWS
already., so why the attempt?
The only explanation, again..is EGO., the 'flesh' wants its gratificaton, its
moment in the sun, so to speak.
How sad.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by simplyme

How 'bout the types that PUSH on a person as they're laying hands on them
at the altar or somewhere in front?
So that they can SEEM to fall under the(ir) annointing?
To ME it reeks of "grandstanding" on the part of the one doing the 'layin on'.

It really makes no sense (spiritual sense that is) 4
It is GOD (not man or woman) whom gives the
increase, WHY? do some want to take the credit?
Plain ole common sense alone should be sufficient for even a mere sinner to "get it"
that its GOD alone whom gives of HIMself.
That only GOD is to get honor & glory is something that any spiritual person KNOWS
already., so why the attempt?
The only explanation, again..is EGO., the 'flesh' wants its gratificaton, its
moment in the sun, so to speak.
How sad.

I've asked before but have never recieved an answer.Someone show me in

scripture an example of our pentecostal altar services.

No where was anyone ever "prayed thru" in the bible.

There was never any begging and groveling as we see in our altars.

No one ever prayed with an expectancy that they would speak in tongues.

No one ever got told that they "almost got it" , come back next week and try again.

No one ever had "stammering lips"

The erarly church we see in the book of Acts would probably just about puke if they ever witnessed what goes on in our altars.

[Jeffrey]

The closest is Acts 8, where they came to the Gentiles, laid their hands on them to receive the Spirit Baptism. This doesn't appear to be necessarily normative.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

The closest is Acts 8, where they came to the Gentiles, laid their hands on them to receive the Spirit Baptism. This doesn't appear to be necessarily normative.

Laying on of hands to minister the Holy Ghost Baptism is also found in

Acts 9 where Ananias came in and laid hands upon Saul

Acts 19 where the Apostle Paul laid hands on a group at Ephesus after they were baptized in water.

[DAII]

You are assuming tongues or prophesying here Sam?

Originally Posted by Sam

Laying on of hands to minister the Holy Ghost Baptism is also found in

Acts 9 where Ananias came in and laid hands upon Saul

Acts 19 where the Apostle Paul laid hands on a group at Ephesus after they were baptized in water.

[freeatlast]

ok...they laid hands on them and they were filled with the spirrit and spoke in tongues.

I have never seen this in 40 years of pentecostal services.

I have seen people "lay hands" on people for over an hour and nothing resembling the Acts 8 account happened.

We shake them and hold up their arms and scream in their face. We dance and scream in their face and call this "working the altar"

Then we tell them they almost "got it" tonite and advise them that if they will clean themselves up some more, shave that mustache and take off your wedding ring maybe, just maybe b next Sunday night you'll finally be good enoughthat God will give you salvation.

Pray harder, pray harder, say Jesus Jesus JesusJESUSjesusjebus jebus jemas real fast...faster fastrerejflkjfiojerjjgrg;l

That's it ..now you got IT.

PLEASE..somebody find me this in the bible...BECAUSE that is the way we do it in PENTECOST today.

and that no more resembles the book of acts church than a catholc mass.

[Timmy]

Maybe we're in a New New Covenant? Things sure seem to work differently than they did in NT times.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by DAII

You are assuming tongues or prophesying here Sam?

yes, assuming.

I can't say that the Bible teaches that everyone will speak with tongues when baptized in the Spirit, but it does seem to be the pattern.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

ok...they laid hands on them and they were filled with the spirrit and spoke in tongues.

I have never seen this in 40 years of pentecostal services.

I have seen people "lay hands" on people for over an hour and nothing resembling the Acts 8 account happened.

We shake them and hold up their arms and scream in their face. We dance and scream in their face and call this "working the altar"

Then we tell them they almost "got it" tonite and advise them that if they will clean themselves up some more, shave that mustache and take off your wedding ring maybe, just maybe b next Sunday night you'll finally be good enoughthat God will give you salvation.

Pray harder, pray harder, say Jesus Jesus JesusJESUSjesusjebus jebus jemas real fast...faster fastrerejflkjfiojerjjgrg;l

That's it ..now you got IT.

PLEASE..somebody find me this in the bible...BECAUSE that is the way we do it in PENTECOST today.

and that no more resembles the book of acts church than a catholc mass.

This is NOT the Scriptural pattern.
This is like the tail wagging the dog.
People are seeking a tongues experience and doing whatever it takes to result in "speaking with tongues."