That's For All You Eunuchs!!!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Thats a load of crock and you know it. Or if you don't know it and you really think that then you are a complete ignoramous.

There is no salvation outside of the cross. Every "three stepper" preaches it. There is nothing without the cross. Nothing without the propitiation. The following of Acst 2:38 is how one partakes of the ,promise and payment offered by Christ.

The only watered down side are you one step easy believism, greasy grace Baptist wannabe's. Just live and believe what you want as long as you have faith. Thats all that matters. One simple non-descript step. Just have faith. Then we can all hold hands and love each other because we believe.

That is the eunich version of salvation. The do nothing, devote nothing and make no changes whatsoever as long as you "have faith".

You really hate that Trusting God can be easy don't you? It seems rather HARD for you though? Could it be that you want credit for your own salvation? I mean, you want to point back to something YOU did? Greasy and easy are hardly the case.

Who says "do nothing, devote nothing?" The difference is, some of you do those things to pat righteousness on the back, when in reality God is singing the Shania tune "That don't impress me much." Grace freely received, is graciousness freely given. When we realize how, no matter how "pure" we think we are living, we still fall short of a heart with full belief in Jesus, we can then understand Grace. Some think Grace is an option for those who repent (read: be their own God and decide they will change their own lives -- only to realize in a week that it's not working out for them), to be given a way to live perfectly. God just wants our trust. He always has. From Adam, to Noah to Moses, to Jesus.

Compared to the work he did, yes grace for us is quite easy. That's why it's so overwhelming, and that's why my appreciation for is love runs so deep. I don't deserve, can't ever get to a point of deserving it either. But to state because those who believe fully in the Sovereign grace of God don't believe in living for Him is a lie. The motives are just different. They aren't done "to be saved," they are done out of graciousness.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You really hate that Trusting God can be easy don't you? It seems rather HARD for you though? Could it be that you want credit for your own salvation? I mean, you want to point back to something YOU did? Greasy and easy are hardly the case.

Who says "do nothing, devote nothing?" The difference is, some of you do those things to pat righteousness on the back, when in reality God is singing the Shania tune "That don't impress me much." Grace freely received, is graciousness freely given. When we realize how, no matter how "pure" we think we are living, we still fall short of a heart with full belief in Jesus, we can then understand Grace. Some think Grace is an option for those who repent (read: be their own God and decide they will change their own lives -- only to realize in a week that it's not working out for them), to be given a way to live perfectly. God just wants our trust. He always has. From Adam, to Noah to Moses, to Jesus.

Compared to the work he did, yes grace for us is quite easy. That's why it's so overwhelming, and that's why my appreciation for is love runs so deep. I don't deserve, can't ever get to a point of deserving it either. But to state because those who believe fully in the Sovereign grace of God don't believe in living for Him is a lie. The motives are just different. They aren't done "to be saved," they are done out of graciousness.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You really hate that Trusting God can be easy don't you? It seems rather HARD for you though? Could it be that you want credit for your own salvation? I mean, you want to point back to something YOU did? Greasy and easy are hardly the case.

Who says "do nothing, devote nothing?" The difference is, some of you do those things to pat righteousness on the back, when in reality God is singing the Shania tune "That don't impress me much." Grace freely received, is graciousness freely given. When we realize how, no matter how "pure" we think we are living, we still fall short of a heart with full belief in Jesus, we can then understand Grace. Some think Grace is an option for those who repent (read: be their own God and decide they will change their own lives -- only to realize in a week that it's not working out for them), to be given a way to live perfectly. God just wants our trust. He always has. From Adam, to Noah to Moses, to Jesus.


Compared to the work he did, yes grace for us is quite easy. That's why it's so overwhelming, and that's why my appreciation for is love runs so deep. I don't deserve, can't ever get to a point of deserving it either. But to state because those who believe fully in the Sovereign grace of God don't believe in living for Him is a lie. The motives are just different. They aren't done "to be saved," they are done out of graciousness.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Thats a load of crock and you know it. Or if you don't know it and you really think that then you are a complete ignoramous.

There is no salvation outside of the cross. Every "three stepper" preaches it. There is nothing without the cross. Nothing without the propitiation. The following of Acst 2:38 is how one partakes of the ,promise and payment offered by Christ.

The only watered down side are you one step easy believism, greasy grace Baptist wannabe's. Just live and believe what you want as long as you have faith. Thats all that matters. One simple non-descript step. Just have faith. Then we can all hold hands and love each other because we believe.

That is the eunich version of salvation. The do nothing, devote nothing and make no changes whatsoever as long as you "have faith".

Then it should be real easy for you to show me just where the cross is even mentioned in most OP belief statements - begin with the UPC's Articles of Faith and Manual.

... nope. No cross even mentioned there.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You really hate that Trusting God can be easy don't you? It seems rather HARD for you though? Could it be that you want credit for your own salvation? I mean, you want to point back to something YOU did? Greasy and easy are hardly the case.

Who says "do nothing, devote nothing?" The difference is, some of you do those things to pat righteousness on the back, when in reality God is singing the Shania tune "That don't impress me much." Grace freely received, is graciousness freely given. When we realize how, no matter how "pure" we think we are living, we still fall short of a heart with full belief in Jesus, we can then understand Grace. Some think Grace is an option for those who repent (read: be their own God and decide they will change their own lives -- only to realize in a week that it's not working out for them), to be given a way to live perfectly. God just wants our trust. He always has. From Adam, to Noah to Moses, to Jesus.

Compared to the work he did, yes grace for us is quite easy. That's why it's so overwhelming, and that's why my appreciation for is love runs so deep. I don't deserve, can't ever get to a point of deserving it either. But to state because those who believe fully in the Sovereign grace of God don't believe in living for Him is a lie. The motives are just different. They aren't done "to be saved," they are done out of graciousness.

You're right on Jeffery.

What folks like Nitequil don't understand is that what they call "easy believism" wasn't very easy at all for the One who paved the way for us. He suffered horribly - but willingly because He knew that He was no "eunich" (sic).

Jesus knew full well that if He laid down His life - He would bring forth MUCH FRUIT. He died childless - as if a He were a eunuch, but because He did so willingly God has given Him children from every kindred, nation and tongue.

"He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

Isaiah 53:8-12

It takes 'nads to preach a message like this! It takes real Holy Ghost faith to believe and live a message like this!

He paid the price. He suffered and died so that I might live. Whatever holiness and righteousness that I could ever possess comes from the cross at Calvary - Revelation 7:14-17.

Again I ask... why isn't this in our Articles of Faith?