Whatever happened to the idea of scripture being our baseline (A line serving as a basis, as for measurement, calculation, or location.)?
I've been in discussions about jewelry with a group of men who claim to be conservative. They base that claim on the fact that they hold to the "old paths."
They got mad at me when I asked for scriptures that support the "no jewelry" standard. They said I was a legalist, and that doctrine is not based on scripture alone.
That just floored me.
If we can't discuss issues from the standpoint of scripture, what's the use? Everything else is just somebody's opinion, and you know what they say about those.
Is our new baseline the manual? Tradition? Preference?
What is your baseline?
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Whatever happened to the idea of scripture being our baseline (A line serving as a basis, as for measurement, calculation, or location.)?
I've been in discussions about jewelry with a group of men who claim to be conservative. They base that claim on the fact that they hold to the "old paths."
They got mad at me when I asked for scriptures that support the "no jewelry" standard. They said I was a legalist, and that doctrine is not based on scripture alone.
That just floored me.
If we can't discuss issues from the standpoint of scripture, what's the use? Everything else is just somebody's opinion, and you know what they say about those.
Is our new baseline the manual? Tradition? Preference?
What is your baseline?
That is what the cons usually carp when backed into a corner for scriptural support. "Old paths" really mean nothing more than TRADITION!!!!!
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Whatever happened to the idea of scripture being our baseline (A line serving as a basis, as for measurement, calculation, or location.)?
I've been in discussions about jewelry with a group of men who claim to be conservative. They base that claim on the fact that they hold to the "old paths."
They got mad at me when I asked for scriptures that support the "no jewelry" standard. They said I was a legalist, and that doctrine is not based on scripture alone.
That just floored me.
If we can't discuss issues from the standpoint of scripture, what's the use? Everything else is just somebody's opinion, and you know what they say about those.
Is our new baseline the manual? Tradition? Preference?
What is your baseline?
I think you are asking what authority guides our faith and practice. This is an old argument fought out by the reformers of the 15-1600's with the RCC (who held to two types of authority...tradition and scripture.)
Reclaiming the Mind has some good videos on this topic. I've tried to get Timmy to watch them.
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That is what the cons usually carp when backed into a corner for scriptural support. "Old paths" really mean nothing more than TRADITION!!!!!
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Not all tradition is bad, but when it is elevated to the level of scriptural doctrine, it become heresy! (IMHO)
Agreed!
This is one that that ALWAYS bothered me about the UPC - very few people were willing to discuss anything concerning standards! You even breathe that you may be questioning something, and all of the sudden you were wearing the Scarlet Letter!
It also bothers me that a preacher can get in the pulpit at a youth rally, camp meeting, general conference, etc. and preach as far right as he wanted to, and no one would banish him.
But, you let a preacher preach a bit left of center, and he was run out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered.
Inconsisten, in my opinion.
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Legalism
1.strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, esp. to the letter rather than the spirit.
2.Theology. a.the doctrine that salvation is gained through good works.
b.the judging of conduct in terms of adherence to precise laws.
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The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I think you are asking what authority guides our faith and practice. This is an old argument fought out by the reformers of the 15-1600's with the RCC (who held to two types of authority...tradition and scripture.)
Reclaiming the Mind has some good videos on this topic. I've tried to get Timmy to watch them.
Legalism
1.strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, esp. to the letter rather than the spirit.
2.Theology. a.the doctrine that salvation is gained through good works.
b.the judging of conduct in terms of adherence to precise laws.
A. Jesus is a legalist ("rather than spirit" is a bit objective and a very poor point the "spirit of the law" is the consummation of the whole understanding of the law. Letter is a rather weak point as the law is based on principle and it can be used perfectly when understood as a whole functioning body. Jesus clearly taught law and it from the letter as a whole not a itemized list)
2a. Define works and if works are defined how many view works in christianity and on this board..... Jesus is a legalist.
b. JEsus is a legalist
my point the definition is poor and needs refinement.
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