Read Segraves on "letting down hair" - Page 41

Pressing-On · #**401** 03-15-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

So does he, lol!

Just kidding, BD.......

LOL!

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Not if he doesn't have a problem with "laying on of hair", "shaking down hair" as a means of focusing faith.

I just think with the way this is going, it would be best to agree with DS's view. I don't have time to drag up his quote. Basically, he is saying there are no examples of using our hair and so we shouldn't do it at all.

rgcraig · #**402** 03-15-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

LOL!

I just think with the way this is going, it would be best to agree with DS's view. I don't have time to drag up his quote. Basically, he is saying there are no examples of using our hair and so we shouldn't do it at all.

I agree!

rgcraig · #**403** 03-15-2010, 02:19 PM

Bob,

Here's you some more "proof"

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...hlight=Bernard

You can't tell me anyone is misunderstanding what is being taught - - - they are understanding it clearly!

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Last nite I attended a UPC service with a prominent minister was the speaker. I actually went because I wanted to hear him again as he's been a big part of my past life. It was my first time in a UPC church in a long time and I was actually kind of looking foward to enjoying it.

The minister proceeded to preach the WORST magic hair sermon I've ever heard. He attributed some of the most bizarre things to women who do not cut their hair. He stated that the entire country of Fiji quit cutting their hair due to his preaching this sermon there and this prevented a revolution. He also made some other equally absurd remarks.... He also spent a long time explaining how he understands the use of makeup and if women insist on using it they should use it properly....Then there was the altar call. He had women with uncut hair take it down and go down to the front and pray for people......

If I hadn't heard it I would have never believed it. I will never listen to this man again. Makes me so very sad to have taken the time to attend a pentecostal church. What is the worst part is that many sat there and believed him

I can't understand how the UPC puts up with this....or maybe I can.

Very sad.

BobDylan · #**404** 03-15-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't believe it would be advantageous to word what you are saying in this way. It only comes across as promoting the action. No good can come of that.

We have examples, as we've stated already, of handkerchiefs and aprons. We do not have examples of hair being used accept to wipe the feet of Jesus.

The part I highlighted in red, while I don't necessarily disagree, I certainly wouldn't promote this act.

I guess, that since we do in actuality have Biblical precedent of laying people in apostles shadows, should we "promote" our sick laying down so that pastor's, missionary's, evangelist's, or modern day apostle's shadows can pass over them for healing? I think some are missing my point... although these are cited in scripture as things believers do to "focus faith", these were at the time "unprecedented" and uncovnentional acts, therefore setting a precedent of other "unprecedented" and "unconventional" acts that may focus faith. We have preachers who teach and encourage handing out handkerchiefs, why not laying in preacher's shadows? And why not letting down hair? If faith is focused, miracles are following, why not? (I say this assuming the "worshipper" understands the biblical significance of uncut hair as an issue of obedience and submission based on a life of faithfulness, and not because the act of uncut hair in itself grants special angelic powers).

BobDylan · #**405** 03-15-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Not if he doesn't have a problem with "laying on of hair", "shaking down hair" as a means of focusing faith.

Sorry guys, I agree with Bernard here, not Seagraves...

rgcraig · #**406** 03-15-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

I guess, that since we do in actuality have Biblical precedent of laying people in apostles shadows, should we "promote" our sick laying down so that pastor's, missionary's, evangelist's, or modern day apostle's shadows can pass over them for healing? I think some are missing my point... although these are cited in scripture as things believers do to "focus faith", these were at the time "unprecedented" and uncovnentional acts, therefore setting a precedent of other "unprecedented" and "unconventional" acts that may focus faith. We have preachers who teach and encourage handing out handkerchiefs, why not laying in preacher's shadows? And why not letting down hair? If faith is focused, miracles are following, why not? (I say this assuming the "worshipper" understands the biblical significance of uncut hair as an issue of obedience and submission based on a life of faithfulness, and not because the act of uncut hair in itself grants special angelic powers).

See page 1 and start reading this thread all over again.

BobDylan · #**407** 03-15-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

See page 1 and start reading this thread all over again.

Good one!!! I laughed!

rgcraig · #**408** 03-15-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

Sorry guys, I agree with Bernard here, not Seagraves...

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think with the way this is going, it would be best to agree with DS's view. I don't have time to drag up his quote. Basically, he is saying there are no examples of using our hair and so we shouldn't do it at all.

You agree with Bernard?

DAII · #**409** 03-15-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth

That is a VERY good point! It is taking away the importance of the Male role in church.

The irony of it all ... while claiming to adhere to the divine order of creation it emasculates and castrates men .... I would hope this isn't the ulterior motive.

EA · #**410** 03-15-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I have been following this thread, and admit it amuses me.

Where has Bob been living?

He's like the guy whose wife has been cheating on him for years. His friends have told him over and over about her unfaithfulness, but he is so blinded by love that he just can't see the truth, and refuses to acknowledge that evidence of her adultery exists.

He refuses to believe them because he just loves her too much and still thinks of her purity on their wedding day. He's in love with a memory. That girl no longer exists.

Bob, welcome to the conversation.

This abominable doctrine has been preached for years. All of your AFF friends know this. Doctors Segraves and Bernard know this. You know this.

Stop defending it Bob and start demanding answers.

Somebody's been unfaithful.

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

PO, Bob seems to be a good guy. Rather intelligent. Loves a good argument.

Trouble is, he's full of it (and no I won't define what "it" is).

He came on AFF with both barrels blasting, running his mouth and burning up his keyboard. He entered the convo as if he knew something everybody else didn't. Time has proven he didn't know squat.

It is still a magic hair message. Witchcraft is still a major component of each message preached about this topic. Women are shaking their hair, and laying their hair on objects and people just as they have been told to.

It's not a minor misunderstanding. It's major false doctrine.

It places faith in objects instead of God. It worships creation instead of the Creator.

Bob, your friends are trying to help you.