Noah and the Ark

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Esther

Pel YOU might be able to question things in the Bible yet still believe it, but how many are questioning and can't find the answers they think they want and say it is not true, since it doesn't prove out according to their way of thinking?

I find it hard to believe you think you believe the bible more than I do when I am not the one questioning it. I don't see the need to question it. I believe it as written.

I would not want to be the stumbling block to cause someone to doubt the Word and therefore doubt God and become lost.

I think many of you are being deceived and "think" you are being dilengent in proving God's Word. I don't see where it needs proving. It has always been proven out.

As to the Reed Sea iinstead of the Red Sea is nonsense IMO. In fact, I heard Bro. Treece say he read where someone found the wheels from the chariots in the Red Sea, proving Moses crossed the Red Sea. That would dispell any Reed Sea, which I have never heard of.

I heard Bro. Treece say that Melchizedek built the Great Pyramid of Giza and that the Nephilim ("giants" Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 1:13:33) flew around in UFO type spacecraft and were responsible for the craters on the moon. He then described how he saw just such a spacecraft while out coon hunting one night and attempted to signal the thing with his headlamp. He said that one of the brothers with him asked what he was doing (being afraid of the "UFO"), Bro. Treece said, "I wanna ride on that thing! That's the same way we're going up in the rapture!"

Originally Posted by Esther

What would be the miracle in crossing a marsh land?

The "miracle" would have been that Pharoah and his troops could not cross the same path that the Israelites had just crossed. That is, if you want to get your own self stuck in the marsh. I don't. Why are you arguing with someone else here?

Why should we get stuck on the "Reed Sea" versus "Red Sea" canard? Look up Exodus 13:18 and you will see that the Hebrew words used here are "Sooph Yawm." The word "sooph" means "reed" like what the "soopherim" ("Sopherim" - scribes) used to make papyrus out of. The Israelites crossed a body of water that they themselves called "The REED SEA."

There's a lot of junk at the bottom of the body of water that we call the Red Sea. There have been ships wrecking there since ships were first invented. See for example 1 Kings 22:48. Scattered chariot wheels and other military supplies have always been found throughout the region. There is no evidence that clearly identifies any particular find with the events described in Exodus 13 through 15. In fact, the chariot wheels found in the Gulf of Aqaba may even have been Jehoshaphat's He used chariots extensively (1 Kings 22:29-37).

* And just for the record... The "Sooph Sea" (REED SEA) mentioned in Exodus is the same body of water as that used by Jehoshaphat and Solomon (1 Kings 9:26-28) to sail to Ophir. The ancient "REED SEA" was clearly the large body of water that we today call the "RED SEA."

Misunderstandings like the one you are wrestling with here can actually be overcome by simply taking the Bible on its own terms. And, we don't have to resort to UFO mythology to establish the Bible's truths.

Originally Posted by Esther

You need to be very careful you and others don't become deceived in trying to prove the Bible to be what it says.

I suspect that there's an innocent typo here... but this may also have been a "Freudian slip."

I am trying to be "careful" to "prove the Bible to be what it says!" There is no deception involved at all.

Originally Posted by Esther

I still say you either believe the Word of God or you don't. Believing it does not cause people to fast until they die. Some people do ignorant things and blame God all the time. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with the Bible nor God.

Again, I caution all of you to be careful in trying to "prove" the Bible to suit your own understandings.

Can't see that this is exactly what you are doing here yourself?

Every time a plea like this is made some poor soul ends up shrugging their shoulders and saying, "Oh well! I guess the Bible can't be true then..." and YOU end up wrecking the faith of millions.

Why do you demand that your methodology be accepted as the "only way?" You and Aquila both are arguing that we deny the reality that greets us each day we roll out of bed. Did God really create this universe just so that He could demand that we live in a dream world and deny the existence of His creation?

Your fundamentalism is directly responsible for the decline in the Christian faith - first in Europe and now in the United States. You make unreasonable demands that no thinking person could possibly swallow and then you say - "You either believe it or you don't!"

And so, our children, our young people and our entire society simply shrugs their shoulders and say, "Okay, you're explanations do make any sense, so I won't believe anything!"