The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save - Page 13

notofworks · #**121** 03-31-2010, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

You were drinking some strong tea tonight Mizzie. I said that I was just wondering out loud about how the arrangement of the books would affect the church through history. Your particular soteriology really didn't emerge until the 20th century.

And since you're so adamant about the chasm betwixt us, I will just assume that your soteriology doesn't include faith in Jesus Christ nor do you believe that His death, burial and resurrection brought about any salvation for you or anyone else.

So then, why do you post to an Apostolic Christian board? Just about everyone here believes that Jesus saved lost sinners and reconciled us back to God by His passion. Even Timmy says something like, "If He was raised from the dead" then He saved us from sin. Why don't you accept this basic element of the Christian faith?

Jesus saves. ... but you're not happy with that?

A great theologian I often read once said, "What is it about the cross that wasn't enough?" (That was you, of course, Pel)

pelathais · #**122** 03-31-2010, 12:24 AM

Oh... a belated Happy Passover everyone!

John 1:29 and Revelation 7:17

Psalm 113, Psalm 114, Psalm 115, Psalm 116, Psalm 117, Psalm 118

notofworks · #**123** 03-31-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

NOW, after all that you typed here, my only question would be - "But, what does the Word of God say?"

Exactly!! You nailed it, PO!

So can you reconcile the absoluteness of the Ephesians, John, and I John statements with your "That's just what I believe" foundation?

Pressing-On · #**124** 03-31-2010, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Exactly!! You nailed it, PO!

So can you reconcile the absoluteness of the Ephesians, John, and I John statements with your "That's just what I believe" foundation?

NOW,
"That's what I believe foundation"? LOL! If I studied something out, I'm pretty sure I would find out what I believe, don't you think? I mean, you are saying you did that, studied it out, right?

Anyway, if I want to know about the Spirit of God, I would study that. I would then find that in studying the Spirit, the Holy Ghost is turning up to be the same. Studying that, I run across Jesus instructing the Disciples to wait for the "promise" of the Father. I study that out to find what that Promise is. I find out that it is the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost. I then find out that the evidence of the Holy Ghost (according to Acts) is speaking in tongues., etc., etc.

Now that you are getting a little testy, I'll end the conversation.

Pressing-On · #**125** 03-31-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Just about everyone here believes that Jesus saved lost sinners and reconciled us back to God by His passion. Even Timmy says something like, "If He was raised from the dead" then He saved us from sin. Why don't you accept this basic element of the Christian faith?

Jesus saves. ... but you're not happy with that?

Pel,
I do believe that Jesus died to save the lost. But, the Word does say that "without the shedding of blood there is no remission". Jesus did shed that blood and his blood is applied at death, which is the burial. If we do not identify with that blood and become baptized/burial, how can He then save us? There is action demanded on our part. Not only to repent, but to be baptized. We must obey the Gospel. (II Thess 1:8; I Peter 4:7) Repent and be baptized are the things that we can do. Faith without words is dead. (James 2:18;20;26) He then freely gives of His Spirit.

I am reminded of the scripture in Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

I must believe and have faith, but there are things that I must obey and do. Are you suggesting that you are saved by belief alone?

Pressing-On · #**126** 03-31-2010, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Oh... a belated Happy Passover everyone!

John 1:29 and Revelation 7:17

Psalm 113, Psalm 114, Psalm 115, Psalm 116, Psalm 117, Psalm 118

Happy Passover!

There are conditions to this salvation!

John 8:31 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;"

1 John 2:24 "Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

Acts 14:22 "Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God."

Acts 13:43 "Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God."

Jeffrey · #**127** 03-31-2010, 01:12 AM

Baptism in the Spirit, the unique event that is accompanies by some type of supernatural phenom (tongues, prophecy, etc) is distinctly different from the indwelled Spirit and otherwise the Spirit's role in justifying the believer. Nowhere even in Luke do we get anything remotely close to regenerative tongues.

Jeffrey · #**128** 03-31-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

NOW,
"That's what I believe foundation"? LOL! If I studied something out, I'm pretty sure I would find out what I believe, don't you think? I mean, you are saying you did that, studied it out, right?

Anyway, if I want to know about the Spirit of God, I would study that. I would then find that in studying the Spirit, the Holy Ghost is turning up to be the same. Studying that, I run across Jesus instructing the Disciples to wait for the "promise" of the Father. I study that out to find what that Promise is. I find out that it is the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost. I then find out that the evidence of the Holy Ghost (according to Acts) is speaking in tongues., etc., etc.

Now that you are getting a little testy, I'll end the conversation.

If I could find you biblical examples for Spirit is not necessarily referring to the crisis experience (with tongues) that we saw a few times in Acts, but was represented independent, would you be convinced?

Pressing-On · #**129** 03-31-2010, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

If I could find you biblical examples for Spirit is not necessarily referring to the crisis experience (with tongues) that we saw a few times in Acts, but was represented independent, would you be convinced?

"crisis experience (with tongues)"? Pretty sure after reading your display of "cutting, mocking and negative" terminology, I wouldn't be open to what you have to present. You are already set at defense. That, of course, makes me not interested. You know how it is.....

*AQuietPlace* · #**130** 03-31-2010, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"crisis experience (with tongues)"? Pretty sure after reading your display of "cutting, mocking and negative" terminology, I wouldn't be open to what you have to present. You are already set at defense. That, of course, makes me not interested. You know how it is.....

I think you are mis-reading his tone.