The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

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Originally Posted by pelathais

What do you mean by "repent" here? I haven't seen Jeffery telling people, "Don't repent! You're already saved without it!"

I am wanting a direct yes or no, and have not gotten one, except that I disagree with Paul. So I continue to ask a yes or no. Is repentance necessary, however way he believes it?

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have used the word bitter. I apologize to you.

It's just when I hear that scenario played out in a post, my mind goes to all of the glorious times I've seen God bless and touch a person. It's so personal and beautiful, I don't see or remember the bad things - try not to remember.

I will share a funny story though. I was in Lufkin, Texas at Youth Camp. First time around a bunch of Pentecostals in such large number. I was at the front praying and I had a girl on my left and one on my right. The one on the left was saying, "Talk to Him. He needs to hear your voice." The other girl was saying, "Let Him talk for you." LOL! Well, by then I was furious and I jerked both of my arms out of their hands. I looked at one girl and said, "First you are telling me to talk!", then I looked at the other, "And you are telling me not to! What am I supposed to be doing?!" Their eyes got really big and I don't even think they answered me. Then I had a really fat girl get in my face and say, "REPENT SISTER!!!!!" I heard someone behind me say, very quietly, "She has already repented." Hilarious!!!!

I received the Holy Ghost the last night of Camp Meeting. God was more real and personal to me than any of the other stuff. He is altogether lovely!!!

I was not offended by the use of the word bitter, I just wanted to clarify my position.

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Well we do have people that were filled with the holyghost in the bible and did not speak in tongues so I was just saying...

We are not given all details such as whether they spoke in tongues or not. But notice the major times that globally-affecting infillings occurred,,,, as in gentiles and Jews and disciples of John.

Anyone with the Holy ghost before the cross are in a different category altogether and never had the indwelling of the body of Christ like we do since Pentecost.

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Abraham HAD TO BE CIRCUMCIZED if he had the faith that he would be. Faith THAT WORKS is what saves. So we cannot separate the work that follows faith from it. I am not saying the act of baptism in itself is soteriological as if it were the false doctrine of baptismal regeneration. But would God have made Abraham righteous had he seen that Abraham did not have the faith that WOULD ACT in obedience? People cannot see the heart that God sees. The one stepper acceptance of Christ to be saved IS AN ACT OF OBEDIENCE, TOO, YOU KNOW.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

We are not given all details such as whether they spoke in tongues or not. But notice the major times that globally-affecting infillings occurred,,,, as in gentiles and Jews and disciples of John.

Anyone with the Holy ghost before the cross are in a different category altogether and never had the indwelling of the body of Christ like we do since Pentecost.

this is correct... there is a difference between interaction with the HS in the OT vs the interaction of the dwelling of both the FATHER AND SON! Major difference.

[KWSS1976]

Nice way to explain it away...Anyone with the Holy ghost before the cross are in a different category altogether and how are we sure this is a diffrent catogory that would make 2 versions of the holyghost....holyghost without tongues and holyghost with tongues....

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Abraham HAD TO BE CIRCUMCIZED if he had the faith that he would be. Faith THAT WORKS is what saves. So we cannot separate the work that follows faith from it. I am not saying the act of baptism in itself is soteriological as if it were the false doctrine of baptismal regeneration. But would God have made Abraham righteous had he seen that Abraham did not have the faith that WOULD ACT in obedience? People cannot see the heart that God sees. The one stepper acceptance of Christ to be saved IS AN ACT OF OBEDIENCE, TOO, YOU KNOW.

YEP! He had to be or he would not have been "just" before God! Was Abraham's response judged just by his obedience unto circumcision? Yes he was!

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Nice way to explain it away...Anyone with the Holy ghost before the cross are in a different category altogether and how are we sure this is a diffrent catogory that would make 2 versions of the holyghost....holyghost without tongues and holyghost with tongues....

Oh come on. Surely you see a difference -vast difference - between people atoned for by the cross and those not! It is not a NICE way. It is THE WAY it is. Period.

Or maybe the cross is useless?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am wanting a direct yes or no, and have not gotten one, except that I disagree with Paul. So I continue to ask a yes or no. Is repentance necessary, however way he believes it?

Jeffery just sent me a text message saying that "yes, of course" repentance is a part of admitting that one is in the condition of the soul described in Job 9:20 and they (we!) must repent lest we end up in the condition of the souls described in Luke 16:15.

In any case, we are completely dependent upon Jesus Christ to actually save us.

* There's a "One Stepper" list that we all secretly subscribe to. We run all of our posts past Steve Epley. If he squawks we go ahead and post them on AFF.

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

YEP! He had to be or he would not have been "just" before God! Was Abraham judged just by his circumcision? Yes he was!

Amen. Cannot separate the work from the faith. It is works for salvation without prerequisite of faith that does not save.