The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Pel,
I didn't forget about your last post to me. I just got a bit sidetracked. I guess I pretty well have exhausted my points and can't really add anything else to what I've already said.

Anyway, I wanted to thank you for the conversation! You were great in your presentation and approach. If I was going to converse with anyone where we had points of some disagreement, I would choose you!

God Bless!

whoop! Got a bit sidetracked myself and only just now saw this... sorry.

Thanks P-O. I enjoy "talking" with you. Have a great day.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Wait....so now it's OUR cross?

The statement is still true:

The cross of Christ alone can save.

sigh... The point was that the cross and his death is only one aspect of salvation and the cross is not simply about him dying but ALSO is a "type" in which we are to be. Thus John 15 and US doing his will as HE DID THE FATHER'S WILL! Yes the title is true but the cross of Christ is more than him simply dying but our dying as well as we take upon his cross and IF we do we abide in him as he did the Father.

[KWSS1976]

Wait did we die for our sins or did he die for our sins...Who died to cover our sins.....

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Wait did we die for our sins or did he die for our sins...Who died to cover our sins.....

Can't believe you don't have this figured out yet, KWSS. It's really very simple...Jesus died on the cross so that we could do a bunch of stuff to get saved. See there? Simple. Do you understand it now? Let me know if you need more help.

[KWSS1976]

And if we have to go through 10 steps to be saved then Jesus did not die to cover our sins as everyone states...he just died... and it is up to us to get the plan right to be saved..but everyone I talk to states Jesus died to cover our sins...so someone or something is incorrect....

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

And if we have to go through 10 steps to be saved then Jesus did not die to cover our sins as everyone states...he just died... and it is up to us to get the plan right to be saved..but everyone I talk to states Jesus died to cover our sins...so someone or something is incorrect....

But THEN....there's all the stuff we have to do to STAY saved!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But THEN....there's all the stuff we have to do to STAY saved!

You mean like loving God and loving one another? Like sowing to the Spirit? Like walking in the Spirit? ....that kind of stuff?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

sigh... The point was that the cross and his death is only one aspect of salvation and the cross is not simply about him dying but ALSO is a "type" in which we are to be. Thus John 15 and US doing his will as HE DID THE FATHER'S WILL! Yes the title is true but the cross of Christ is more than him simply dying but our dying as well as we take upon his cross and IF we do we abide in him as he did the Father.

Illegalist, I have a question for you....if one follows the things you believe are required, what then? Do you believe there are things that must be abstained from in order to stay saved and/or things that one must do to stay saved?

For example, paying tithes...how would you describe the spiritual condition of someone who doesn't tithe?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Wait did we die for our sins or did he die for our sins...Who died to cover our sins.....

seriously...

Heb 5:9 And by being perfected in this way, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

Mat 5:23 So then, if you bring your gift to the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you,
Mat 5:24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother and then come and present your gift.

Eze 18:19 "Yet you say, 'Why should the son not suffer26 for his father's iniquity?' When the son does what is just and right, and observes all my statutes and carries them out, he will surely live.(SAME AS TODAY AND CHRIST'S COMMANDMENTS JOHN 15)
Eze 18:20 The person who sins is the one who will die. A son will not suffer27 for his father's iniquity, and a father will not suffer28 for his son's iniquity; the righteous person will be judged according to his righteousness, and the wicked person according to his wickedness.29
Eze 18:21 "But if the wicked person turns/repents/reconciles from all the sin he has committed and observes all my statutes and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die.
Eze 18:22 None of the sins he has committed will be held30 against him; because of the righteousness he has done, he will live.
Eze 18:23 Do I actually delight in the death of the wicked, declares the sovereign LORD? Do I not prefer that he turn from his wicked conduct and live?
Eze 18:24 "But if a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and practices wrongdoing according to all the abominable practices the wicked carry out, will he live? All his righteous acts will not be remembered; because of the unfaithful acts he has done and the sin he has committed, he will die.31(SAME PRINCIPLE TAUGHT in ROMANS 8)
Eze 18:25 "Yet you say, 'The Lord's conduct32 is unjust!' Hear, O house of Israel: Is my conduct unjust? Is it not your conduct that is unjust?
Eze 18:26 When a righteous person turns back from his righteousness and practices wrongdoing, he will die for it;33 because of the wrongdoing he has done, he will die.
Eze 18:27 When a wicked person turns from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will preserve his life.
Eze 18:28 Because he considered34 and turned from all the sins he had done, he will surely live; he will not die.


Atonement means nothing unless reconciliation is true and complete. You cannot partake of his atoneing aspect unless you come first reconciled to your brother or to whom you have offended. If you do he is just and faithful to forgive. Instead of the old sacrifice for justice we have Christ as the offering who brings justice IF we abide in him. He desires obedience NOT sacrifice and he offers it to THOSE WHO OBEY and abide in him and DO his commandments.

Salvation is by him who is the source and by obedience to obtain eternal life. He offers salvation to those who take up his cross and do what he says... If you don't you will be considered wicked and in the end slaughtered like those who did not want Christ to reign. Atonement can only be true when we do his will and are turned to do his will. cf John 15 and withered and cast out do to not abiding.

Luk 19:21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.'
Luk 19:22 He said to him, 'I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow?
Luk 19:23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?'
Luk 19:24 And he said to those who stood by, 'Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.'
Luk 19:25 And they said to him, 'Lord, he has ten minas!'
Luk 19:26 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
Luk 19:27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.'"

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You mean like loving God and loving one another? Like sowing to the Spirit? Like walking in the Spirit? ....that kind of stuff?

Naaa....that's the easy stuff. Sounds too much like greasy-grace people. I'm talking about dressing the right way, tithing, obeying the pastor, making sure my sideburns don't past halfway down my ear....you know, the "deeper" stuff.