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Originally Posted by mfblume
You are not even reading my words. lol. Your words are actually saying repentance is MORE "salvation by works" than baptism is. If you actually were reading what I am saying, you would not say "YES". I said repentance is not a part of "salvation by works." I said it is no more a part of salvation by works than baptism is.
Anyway, you are clearly not reading my words enough, but anyway the term "Baptized" is mentioned 48 verses and 56 instances, if you want to talk about occurrences as you just did. Go figure.
You are not hearing this single most important part I have said again and again. Please read it this time and get it. "Salvation by works" means works make us righteous in and of themselves.
Read it again, please. "Salvation by works" means works make us righteous in and of themselves. "Salvation by works" means works make us righteous in and of themselves.
Baptism does not fit make us righteous in and of itself any more than repentance does that. And when you say repentance saves, do you mean it is part of "salvation by works? Of course not. The place you put repentance in with salvation is exactly how I put baptism in with salvation. NEITHER ARE SALVATION BY WORKS, because netiher make us righteous in and of themselves.
Did you get it this time?
Lol. brother. I hope this is not A.D.D. hindering you here.
Tongues are not righteousness. lol. My point is that righteousness is a gift and it is a required gift. Tongues is also a gift and is required. Your point was that you said you could not understand how something could be a gift and yet still be required. I proved it makes perfect sense when we realize that righteousness is a gift and still something required. I did not say tongues is righteousness. I said tongues is similar to righteousness because BOTH ARE GIFTS AND BOTH ARE REQUIREMENTS.
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my friend... this has been the issue the whole time. They only see through a fogged lense of interpretation. They make you say what they want it to be, to able to deal with what you are saying. cognitive dissonance
Just like points I have made multiple times with indepth points..... then they say.... "you have not dealt with XYZ..." only thing I can do is shake my head. In all my years of teaching, witnessing, debating it blows me away at the ingoring that goes on here. Basically let's reform the argument in the image they want so they can deal with it. Which in the end is relabeling everything to make it not what it is like belief, repentance, confession and whatever... ( Thus oh no I do nothing.... he did it for me. salvation is not based on anything I do. ) which is so far from the truth it makes a mockery of what "faith" is and Jesus Words to obtain eternal life.
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