The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree with what you said, Jeffery. Faith and works are inseparable and faith is the real kicker, though. It's just that while some folks seem to be trying to assure everyone they not lose sight of the kicker in faith, the others (like me) are trying to ensure everyone else does not lose sight of it is only FAITH THAT WORKS, though, while not saying the works save in and of themselves.

When my faith is in Jesus, it always works.

This faith and dead works stuff comes from a pretty sloppy exegesis of James' words.

What's at stake here is the one area where we refer to "good works" and the other where we attach processes to one's salvation. This thread has combined them both it seems. Maybe rightfully so.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Your first sentence, combined with what was highlighted in Jeffrey's post, made me fall outta my chair and hit the floor hard, laughing. That's seriously funny. But give Jeffrey a break...he needs a bar of soap once in a while.

But he's right!!! And I'm not a fan of the "Amplified Bible". All those additions are basically commentary and not reliable as actual text.

Plus, The "Amplified" was done by a woman, and you can't trust these woman drivers! (it's a joke, folks)

You Puritans!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is not altogether true. The amplified uses ALL THE DEFINITIONS for the terms in the parentheses. They're not commentary.

I didn't say I had a problem with the Amplified's interpretation. Haven't examined it enough and don't have the language background to offer my own opinion anyway. I read the opinions of others, listen the argument and decide that way - at least for now.

Fact is, the Amplified does not give us a Classic Pentecostalism verse. I have no problem with the verse with paranthetical comments included.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

An error in the NLT??? Thou blasphemeth!!! Where? I actually have a $400 Thompson Chain KJV that has a print error in it.

I'm in the middle of reading a pdf file. What do you think about starting a thread on the subject of errors in various Bible translations? I'll post it there when I get a chance. That is, if you want to start a thread.

I'm supposed to be taking pictures of an antique cabinet my sister wants to buy. Haven't done that yet. I was supposed to do it last night.LOL! I'm so sunburned from going out in our boat - MIDDAY - for fours hours on Friday that I'm not in a big mood to do anything much. I wish I could stop hurting!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You Puritans!

Actually, if we got started, you'd have to use an entire detergent factory on me!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

When my faith is in Jesus, it always works.

What would you say if someone's faith never produced water baptism? i.e., the person never got baptized, even when presented with it?

Sort of like asking, what if Abraham refused to be circumcised?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is not altogether true. The amplified uses ALL THE DEFINITIONS for the terms in the parentheses. They're not commentary.

Multiple English word equivalents to each key Hebrew and Greek word clarify and amplify meanings that may otherwise have been concealed by the traditional translation method.

Of course it's commentary! Dang, are we gonna disagree on everything, which translates to, are you gonna be wrong about everything?

Anything added to the text, in a way to help you better understand it, is commentary. It's a person's opinion on how to better understand what appears in the bible. No one has ever claimed that the words that appear in parentheses is "Divine" or "Inspired", therefore, it's commentary.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What would you say if someone's faith never produced water baptism? i.e., the person never got baptized, even when presented with it?

Sort of like asking, what if Abraham refused to be circumcised?

You see? We must keep going back to this question. It must be answered.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Of course it's commentary! Dang, are we gonna disagree on everything, which translates to, are you gonna be wrong about everything?

Anything added to the text, in a way to help you better understand it, is commentary. It's a person's opinion on how to better understand what appears in the bible. No one has ever claimed that the words that appear in parentheses is "Divine" or "Inspired", therefore, it's commentary.

Still wrong.

It is not commentary. You know how all dictionaries give more than ONE TERM for a definition? Well, instead of translating the Hebrew or Greek word into ONE of the several English words in a definition for the Greek or Hebrew, the Amplified LISTS ALL THE options of the definition, and not just one.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What would you say if someone's faith never produced water baptism? i.e., the person never got baptized, even when presented with it?

Sort of like asking, what if Abraham refused to be circumcised?

In all my years of ministry, I've never heard of this.

If someone wasn't baptized it was out of ignorance not disobedience.

If this were a true hypothetical, I'd question if their faith was truly in Jesus. Or ask what sort of childhood phobia they have with being dunked in water.