2 Timothy 3:15 - the "Scriptures" that Timothy had known "from a child." This prepositional phrase would appear to have Paul not taking his own writings into account in the statement that follows in verse 16.
correct... Paul does not say his writings are that of "all scripture". It most likely is a reference to scriptures we consider the OT and possibly others as well.
The Torah includes just the first 5 books of the OT. This would have been the "canon" of the Sadducees. What the early Christians studied included all of the books of our OT plus some other writings such as the apocryphal Book of Enoch.
No. What I was saying was that Paul himself wasn't appealing to his own writings nor even the writings of any of the other NT writers in 1 Timothy 3:16. He was only referring to the "Scriptures" Timothy had known from a child.
This doesn't discount the inspiration of the NT itself. It's just what Paul was talking to Timothy about - the Scriptures Timothy had known from his childhood.
Peter would later refer to Paul's writings as "Scripture."
your assuming alot on 2 Peter as even divine inspired.
Allegedly Peter says...
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
your assuming alot on 2 Peter as even divine inspired.
Allegedly Peter says...
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
"writings" or "scipture" choose what you will.
On the subject of the history of the NT canon, you make a great point about 2 Peter. This was one of the books that was held suspect in many parts of early Christendom.
My statements concerning "what is Scripture" generally follow the traditional or most ecumenically accepted canon. Of course within that context, there is a lot of history and debate; one can't qualify every statement. Everything I say here is just "IMHO" and spoken in generalities unless otherwise qualified.
correct... Paul does not say his writings are that of "all scripture". It most likely is a reference to scriptures we consider the OT and possibly others as well.
So, we might be missing out on some inspired, written words of God?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
So, we might be missing out on some inspired, written words of God?
No. It's just that in the specific passage cited (2 Timothy 3:16) the words "all Scriptures" are to be understood in the context of 2 Timothy 3:15-16.
Paul was writing at a specific point in time. When he stated that Timothy had known the Scriptures "from a child" (or from that age when he was a child) there were clearly only the OT scriptures in existence.
Timothy obviously hadn't know the book of 2 Timothy from the time he was a child. Paul was just writing the epistle in Timothy's young adulthood.
No. It's just that in the specific passage cited (2 Timothy 3:16) the words "all Scriptures" are to be understood in the context of 2 Timothy 3:15-16.
Paul was writing at a specific point in time. When he stated that Timothy had known the Scriptures "from a child" (or from that age when he was a child) there were clearly only the OT scriptures in existence.
Timothy obviously hadn't know the book of 2 Timothy from the time he was a child. Paul was just writing the epistle in Timothy's young adulthood.
The Legalistic One thinks Timothy (and Paul) may have known of other profitable and inspired scriptures, besides what we call the OT.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
On the subject of the history of the NT canon, you make a great point about 2 Peter. This was one of the books that was held suspect in many parts of early Christendom.
My statements concerning "what is Scripture" generally follow the traditional or most ecumenically accepted canon. Of course within that context, there is a lot of history and debate; one can't qualify every statement. Everything I say here is just "IMHO" and spoken in generalities unless otherwise qualified.
A LOT of history and debate. And how people treat the canon intrigues me. Some Christians think it a crime of God to read apocryphal books. Others see in the letters passed around to the churches, and those books that make up our Old Testament as a religious relic full of mystic codes, that one need only bible school creativity to sermonize from. I prefer, in the tradition of Judaism, to see it as a Story.
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