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Old 05-17-2010, 09:14 AM
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because saying he is three and he is one can mean anything. Unitarians can believe that. The other things are flat out heresy. Either God/Father can be seen or not.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Tritheism is heresy and I will not agree to hold hands with people who believe that. Well I saw "________" as mentioned above is heretical. Teh well you are not praying to X and not enough of Z and should more to Y is HERESY! No, I won't hold them with the same esteem as I do others.
I find that sort of oddness to be a rarity. And that comes with fellowship with many Trinitarians who identify with a creed, more than anything else. Indeed, there is a triune mystery to his revelation. I reject tritheism as well, but even those who we say are tritheists will, with perplexity on their face say, "but He is also one." They don't understand perfectly His godhead. Beautiful thing is, while I think I have it down a little better than they do, I really don't fully understand it either. So I get the particulars that we have in scripture and build from there.

I'll hold hands with them.
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Jesus taught his followers to pray to the Father. I'm not sure if there are examples of praying to the Son or to the Spirit, but why would it be heresy to do so? Or to think that praying to one or the other would be better?

To have a mindset that God in himself is distinct in that way shows a lot of mindset. As if a distinct deity needs to be appeased and not get enough attention.
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To have a mindset that God in himself is distinct in that way shows a lot of mindset. As if a distinct deity needs to be appeased and not get enough attention.
I guess. But there is enough distinction among the manifestations that you can be forgiven for blaspheming one but not another. Odd.
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Is this the same as 20 plus preachers saying that it is the will of God that they be
voted in at the same Church??

I'm just saying.....................
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Is this the same as 20 plus preachers saying that it is the will of God that they be
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Which is more likely? That all but one were wrong (made it up, wishful thinking, whatever), or that all 20 were wrong?
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Is this the same as 20 plus preachers saying that it is the will of God that they be
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I'm just saying.....................
Exactly.

Or that it's the will of God for every church split, org split, org formation, etc... (I think we too often claim to have direct orders from God)

The preacher that says God told him and instructed him to have the saints wear their sleeves to their elbows, and that women should wear dresses. It's so rude when God is silent to the others in the Body on these issues!

Or worse, when another man says God told him sleeves should go to the bicep, and that women should be modest in their pants and dresses.

Definitely some sloppiness about "God spoke to me." Or what about the evangelist that always has a "direct Word from the Lord." I mean, Paul didn't even claim that often. But this guy says "God told me to blah blah blah..." Amazes me. Did he really tell you that??
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Re: Contradicting Revelations?

This is one of the many reasons there is great dispute in Faith, and thousands of denominations all claiming they have the "Truth".

Men stand up and claim, "God told me", and so people find themselves following an Idea that lives in the Spectral World where proof can't be touched, verified, and deemed valid. We are told, “That’s the Man of God, and touch not mine Anointed”, so fear keeps us in the bay of not questioning such statements.

All Faith's do this. We can pick any one. The Mormons go way out there, into realms and visions that look and sound good and we laugh them off as crazy with False Doctrine. Yet, we do the same thing. We allow men to stand up and say, "God told me" in the Apostolic Church, and because we are committed to our Idea regarding Scripture we give them that liberty.

If you really think about it, telling people that God told you something is probably one of the broadest forms of manipulation on our Planet.
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This is one of the many reasons there is great dispute in Faith, and thousands of denominations all claiming they have the "Truth".

Men stand up and claim, "God told me", and so people find themselves following an Idea that lives in the Spectral World where proof can't be touched, verified, and deemed valid. We are told, “That’s the Man of God, and touch not mine Anointed”, so fear keeps us in the bay of not questioning such statements.

All Faith's do this. We can pick any one. The Mormons go way out there, into realms and visions that look and sound good and we laugh them off as crazy with False Doctrine. Yet, we do the same thing. We allow men to stand up and say, "God told me" in the Apostolic Church, and because we are committed to our Idea regarding Scripture we give them that liberty.

If you really think about it, telling people that God told you something is probably one of the broadest forms of manipulation on our Planet.
Yeah, but what do ya do when God really does talk to you?
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