I understand your point and I agree to a certain extent. I will change my mind on many issues. I shouldn't have mentioned my age, because people seem to keep picking at that. Have you ever read the book of Job? Compare the words of Elihu to those of his elders. Just because I'm young, doesn't mean that I don't have something important to say.
Your age isn't important to me, but most soften with age. A few get more intense. We'll see, I guess. But I think NFS is accurate with his statements.
And the story of Elihu is one of my favorites in the bible! "Years should have taught you wisdom". Love it! I love it when someone says, "I've been doing it like this for 30 years." Uhhh, yeah. You've been doing it wrong for 30 years!
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Now allstate1, you know this leaves you open for a follow-up question! But, I will refrain. Understand Timmy probably won't but I will....at least for now! I think?
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Your age isn't important to me, but most soften with age. A few get more intense. We'll see, I guess. But I think NFS is accurate with his statements.
And the story of Elihu is one of my favorites in the bible! "Years should have taught you wisdom". Love it! I love it when someone says, "I've been doing it like this for 30 years." Uhhh, yeah. You've been doing ot wrong for 30 years!
Age doesn't always - wisdom. We should respect our elders, however, and allow them to speak first, as Elihu did.
Age doesn't always - wisdom. We should respect our elders, however, and allow them to speak first, as Elihu did.
Just curious. How old are you?
Old to some, young to others. Put it this way....I'm often guess as being in my late 20's, which I like! The other day, someone thought I was a college student and I'm not complaining!
If you're consistent, yes, you're a rare bird. The problem I've always experienced is a complete hypocrisy in the selection of "standards." For example, it's wrong to attend a major league baseball game, but it's ok to listen to one on the radio. That's ridiculous. If it's wrong, it's wrong. There was a certain General Superintendent who would do everything he could to listen to a Cubs game on the radio. But attend? Oh no....sin!
I got tired of the sham and hit the trail.
I completely agree with you here. We should be consistent in all matters of holiness and separation. I will say though that the liberal should also be consistent in their theology. If women don't have to dress modestly, then why couldn't a woman walk into a liberal church with a bikini on? If TV and Hollywood are okay, then a person should be allowed to subscribe to Playboy magazine. I've never owned one, but I've been told by worldly people that this magazine contains many good articles. Where do you draw the line? Should we be allowed to go to Las Vegas because we might be able to find good food and fellowship? If we simply tell people to live holy, without setting up any landmarks, then one person might think it's okay to drink beer, another might not see anything wrong with drugs.
BTW, don't misunderstand me...I don't even know you so I can't call you a liberal. You seem nice enough. I'm just asking some honest questions.
I completely agree with you here. We should be consistent in all matters of holiness and separation. I will say though that the liberal should also be consistent in their theology. If women don't have to dress modestly, then why couldn't a woman walk into a liberal church with a bikini on? If TV and Hollywood are okay, then a person should be allowed to subscribe to Playboy magazine. I've never owned one, but I've been told by worldly people that this magazine contains many good articles. Where do you draw the line? Should we be allowed to go to Las Vegas because we might be able to find good food and fellowship? If we simply tell people to live holy, without setting up any landmarks, then one person might think it's okay to drink beer, another might not see anything wrong with drugs.
BTW, don't misunderstand me...I don't even know you so I can't call you a liberal. You seem nice enough. I'm just asking some honest questions.
I dont think you will find many Christians who do not believe in modesty and moderation. Who says wearing a long skirt is what it takes for a women to be modest. OBVIOUSLY most people christian and non christian would agree that wearing a Bikini to church would not be appropriate or modest.
I completely agree with you here. We should be consistent in all matters of holiness and separation. I will say though that the liberal should also be consistent in their theology. If women don't have to dress modestly, then why couldn't a woman walk into a liberal church with a bikini on?
Why do you assume that liberals believe women shouldn't dress modestly? You'd consider me a liberal, and I definitely believe in dressing modestly.
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If TV and Hollywood are okay, then a person should be allowed to subscribe to Playboy magazine. I've never owned one, but I've been told by worldly people that this magazine contains many good articles.
It's possible to view television, know which show you're going to click on, watch only that show, and not view filth. It's not possible to flip through Playboy and not see the pictures. Apples and oranges.
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Where do you draw the line? Should we be allowed to go to Las Vegas because we might be able to find good food and fellowship? If we simply tell people to live holy, without setting up any landmarks, then one person might think it's okay to drink beer, another might not see anything wrong with drugs.
Why do you think it's up to you to set guidelines for other people? Why do they need the Holy Ghost if you're going to do all of their thinking and guiding for them? I don't feel the need to tell people what holy is, I let God do that for them.
And I don't mean that snarkily, it's simply the way I view the issue.
I completely agree with you here. We should be consistent in all matters of holiness and separation. I will say though that the liberal should also be consistent in their theology. If women don't have to dress modestly, then why couldn't a woman walk into a liberal church with a bikini on? If TV and Hollywood are okay, then a person should be allowed to subscribe to Playboy magazine. I've never owned one, but I've been told by worldly people that this magazine contains many good articles. Where do you draw the line? Should we be allowed to go to Las Vegas because we might be able to find good food and fellowship? If we simply tell people to live holy, without setting up any landmarks, then one person might think it's okay to drink beer, another might not see anything wrong with drugs.
BTW, don't misunderstand me...I don't even know you so I can't call you a liberal. You seem nice enough. I'm just asking some honest questions.
First bolded...Neither I, nor anyone, that I'm aware of, has suggested that anyone shouldn't dress modestly.
Second bolded....I don't see the connection. If one says it's ok to watch TV, why would it then be ok to subscribe to Playboy?
And by the way, the articles aren't that good. I'm almost ready to cancel my subscription! (for all who are offended, I'm joking)
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