Holiness Is Still Important - Page 17

GraceAmazing · #**161** 05-25-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by proudfather

"Doth not even nature teach you" should tell you something about this passage. It shouldn't have been an issue, but some were seeking to argue about the matter. That's why Paul said, "We have no other custom that this". Jesus also taught some things that were not mentioned in the Old Test. such as looking upon a woman to lust after her. Need I go on?

So, my question to you is this. If long means uncut for women, what does short mean for men? Bald? Just curious...that one has always gotten me...and I grew up UPC and didn't cut/trim/shave/shear my hair until I was 30 years old...my question is legit...

mizpeh · #**162** 05-25-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by proudfather

"Doth not even nature teach you" should tell you something about this passage. It shouldn't have been an issue, but some were seeking to argue about the matter. That's why Paul said, "We have no other custom that this". Jesus also taught some things that were not mentioned in the Old Test. such as looking upon a woman to lust after her. Need I go on?

A woman having long hair is a glory to/for her and for men to have short hair BUT nowhere is it a sin for a woman to cut her hair or for a man to grow his hair out like Sampson did.

proudfather · #**163** 05-25-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01

I do know people who have felt called to take the Nazarite vowel.

But friend the point remains....would God instruct a person to commit a sin that would condemn them to hell? logic says "NO". then what about consistency of the text? did God change His mind regarding "hair...the long & short of it"?

It wasn't a sin. They were just obeying God's command. If God commands you to do something, you do it.

Is there even the remote possibility the Paul could have been addressing a question/situation that we are not privy to?

If this were the case and if the question were of importance, it would be in the word of God. This scripture would not be in the Bible if it was not important.

Is it sound theology & hermeneutics to base a heaven & hell doctrine a single passage?

I don't know...you tell me. Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Or could this maybe be the honest, heart felt conviction of a Godly person...who then pasted it along to others?

2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

proudfather · #**164** 05-25-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh come on.....long hair wasn't Absalom's problem!

I've often wanted to take the Nazarite vow but no one will take me up on it!

Would he have gotten caught in the tree if he had cut his hair?

You couldn't touch a dead person anymore. Where's the fun in that?

edjen01 · #**165** 05-25-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by proudfather

He did clarify. This was part of the Nazarite vowl. Not everyone was a Nazarite. Absalom had long hair and look at where it got him. Should we just ignore Paul's teaching?

being consistent with this logic...long hair is ok on a man...as long as he stays away from trees and doesn't try to overthrow his fathers kingdom. Ok.

St.Paul's letters are words & principles that he wrote to people in a very different time, place, & culture. Can we read them and find comfort, encouragement, guidance....absolutely!!

But if I believe in and follow St.Paul....I still die in my sins. When it comes to "heaven & hell" doctrines....I only trust Jesus for those.

*AQuietPlace* · #**166** 05-25-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by proudfather

"Doth not even nature teach you" should tell you something about this passage. It shouldn't have been an issue, but some were seeking to argue about the matter. That's why Paul said, "We have no other custom that this". Jesus also taught some things that were not mentioned in the Old Test. such as looking upon a woman to lust after her. Need I go on?

Jesus' comment about not looking on a woman to lust after her was built upon the commandment 'thou shalt not commit adultery'. Jesus didn't come up with stuff out of thin air.

Nature teaches us that a woman's long hair is her glory. As I mentioned when talking about cancer in a previous post.

'we have no such custom' - scholars have filled books debating exactly which custom Paul was referring to.... wearing a veil, contention, or long hair, or.....

proudfather · #**167** 05-25-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

A woman having long hair is a glory to/for her and for men to have short hair BUT nowhere is it a sin for a woman to cut her hair or for a man to grow his hair out like Sampson did.

I guess we're not reading the same Bible. 1 Cor. 11 is pretty clear to me.

Baron1710 · #**168** 05-25-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by proudfather

I guess we're not reading the same Bible. 1 Cor. 11 is pretty clear to me.

Perhaps you are in a league all your own because many scholars will admit the difficulty in understanding this passage.

proudfather · #**169** 05-25-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Jesus' comment about not looking on a woman to lust after her was built upon the commandment 'thou shalt not commit adultery'. Jesus didn't come up with stuff out of thin air.

Nature teaches us that a woman's long hair is her glory. As I mentioned when talking about cancer in a previous post.

'we have no such custom' - scholars have filled books debating exactly which custom Paul was referring to.... wearing a veil, contention, or long hair, or.....

I'm confused. We should just ignore Paul's letters because he seemingly pulled things out of thin air? What about his teaching on grace? There were things he wrote about grace that I don't find anywhere else in the Bible. If we're going to discount one thing that he wrote based upon the fact that it was just for that church, then we must discount it all. This man had a walk with God, just like Moses did. Why should we obey the Ten Commandments and not 1 Cor. 11?

I won't deny the 'we have no such custom' debate, but why would Paul make such a bold statement such as "Doth not even nature teach you" and then go on to say, "Ignore what I just wrote. We have no such custom."