How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost? - Page 17

mfblume · #**161** 06-02-2010, 01:42 PM

All the statements BUT IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE mean nothing, since there are many things not in the bible. lol Like I said, all the variables people could have as reasons for sin are NOT IN THE BIBLE, either.

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To know where you are coming from, do you believe obedience is necessary to receive the Holy Ghost? If so, what is the obedience?
I believe that if I seek, I find. Period. It's the promise of the Father to His children. It's no more complicated than that.

So asking is the obedience?

Generally speaking, would you say it is correct or incorrect that one must be in obedience in order to get the Holy Ghost? is that what you are saying by asking, or would you not consider that obedience?

mfblume · #**162** 06-02-2010, 01:45 PM

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OK. So the "only" in what I quoted was a slip of the keyboard?

It was "ONLY" in contrast distinctly to what I said n.o.w. might have distorted my explanation to mean other than the true explanation I meant. I did not use the term to denote no other reasons at all.

Timmy · #**163** 06-02-2010, 02:05 PM

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It was "ONLY" in contrast distinctly to what I said n.o.w. might have distorted my explanation to mean other than the true explanation I meant. I did not use the term to denote no other reasons at all.

OK.

I'm still not sure what you are referring to as "the million and one variables that could be holding people back from receiving from God." Can you give some examples? Other that what has already been mentioned, I mean: not repenting, distractions, doubt, commitment.

And I'm not sure, if the Bible does give you the instructions on how to receive, how there could be any more "variables" than merely not following those instructions. If the Bible has (say) five things to do, how can there be more than five possible reasons for not receiving?

proudfather · #**164** 06-02-2010, 02:25 PM

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OK.

I'm still not sure what you are referring to as "the million and one variables that could be holding people back from receiving from God." Can you give some examples? Other that what has already been mentioned, I mean: not repenting, distractions, doubt, commitment.

And I'm not sure, if the Bible does give you the instructions on how to receive, how there could be any more "variables" than merely not following those instructions. If the Bible has (say) five things to do, how can there be more than five possible reasons for not receiving?

If we are to only obey what the Bible says, period, then this would be a messed up world. There are some aspects of life that require common sense. For instance, there is nothing in the Bible that says, "Child porn is a sin". At least, I can't find it anyway.

When God gave the law to the children of Israel, they still needed judges to hear the cases of the people. Shouldn't the law be enough? Yes, additional teaching is required, because the law doesn't CLEARLY deal with every situation.

My point is this, we can't expect to find EVERY little detail in the Bible. However, foundation can be found in the Bible. We know that we shouldn't smoke because the word of God tell us that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Ghost and so on.

Also, would you say that the 120 in the upper room were seeking after God? Their Holy Ghost experience didn't happen right away. All they knew was that Jesus had told them to "tarry at Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high". It didn't happen quickly, but they were seeking that power, wouldn't you agree?

mfblume · #**165** 06-02-2010, 02:27 PM

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If we are to only obey what the Bible says, period, then this would be a messed up world. There are some aspects of life that require common sense. For instance, there is nothing in the Bible that says, "Child porn is a sin". At least, I can't find it anyway.

When God gave the law to the children of Israel, they still needed judges to hear the cases of the people. Shouldn't the law be enough? Yes, additional teaching is required, because the law doesn't CLEARLY deal with every situation.

My point is this, we can't expect to find EVERY little detail in the Bible. However, foundation can be found in the Bible. We know that we shouldn't smoke because the word of God tell us that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Ghost and so on.

Also, would you say that the 120 in the upper room were seeking after God. Their Holy Ghost experience didn't happen right away. All they knew was that Jesus had told them to "tarry at Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high". It didn't happen quickly, but they were seeking that power, wouldn't you agree?

I could not have said it better.

proudfather · #**166** 06-02-2010, 02:33 PM

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Okay, here we go:

You keep saying, "It's not in the Bible." Holy Ghost seekers in the New Testament had no reason to doubt the Holy Spirit experience, because they had never experienced it before. They were all curious, and once they were willing to submit, they received the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2: they looked at one another and said, "What meaneth this?" They had no idea what the Holy Spirit was. After Peter explained what was going on, they sincerely wanted to receive the same gift. "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Acts 10: Would you deny that the Gentile believers didn't have the faintest idea what the Holy Spirit was before Peter came? Again, they were sincere seekers.

Acts 19: "We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." Again, they were ignorant of the experience, but they were sincere seekers.

Now, look at Acts 8. Philip preached and baptized many, but they did not receive the Holy Ghost until Peter and John laid hands on them. Would you agree that there was a lapse in time between Philip preaching and the believers receiving the Holy Ghost? In this instance, we don’t even read of doubt occurring in their hearts, and yet, they did not receive the Holy Ghost immediately. How do you explain this?

I do believe it's time to pull a notofworks stunt here.

Hello?...one...two...three...is this thing on?

Still waiting for a response...

mfblume · #**167** 06-02-2010, 02:43 PM

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Okay, here we go:

You keep saying, "It's not in the Bible." Holy Ghost seekers in the New Testament had no reason to doubt the Holy Spirit experience, because they had never experienced it before. They were all curious, and once they were willing to submit, they received the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2: they looked at one another and said, "What meaneth this?" They had no idea what the Holy Spirit was. After Peter explained what was going on, they sincerely wanted to receive the same gift. "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Acts 10: Would you deny that the Gentile believers didn't have the faintest idea what the Holy Spirit was before Peter came? Again, they were sincere seekers.

Acts 19: "We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." Again, they were ignorant of the experience, but they were sincere seekers.

Now, look at Acts 8. Philip preached and baptized many, but they did not receive the Holy Ghost until Peter and John laid hands on them. Would you agree that there was a lapse in time between Philip preaching and the believers receiving the Holy Ghost? In this instance, we don’t even read of doubt occurring in their hearts, and yet, they did not receive the Holy Ghost immediately. How do you explain this?

I do believe it's time to pull a notofworks stunt here.

Hello?...one...two...three...is this thing on?

Still waiting for a response...

Whoa! Good points!

notofworks · #**168** 06-02-2010, 03:07 PM

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I don't know what you mean by "seeking to sin" but the other three (2, 3, and 4) are hinderances to prayer so why would you think they would not be hinderances to receiving the baptism of the Spirit, afterall you have to pray to receive the Spirit. (and by lack of commitment, I mean being halfhearted or lukewarm ).

Nonbiblical??...would you like me to provide some scriptures?

Yes, I would love that. I'd would love to see where doubt, distractions, and lack of commitment prevented anyone in the New Testament from receiving the Holy Spirit.

And "Seeking to sin" Mike Blume's non-biblical reason people don't get the Holy Ghost.