How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Peter refers to Spirit Baptism, John refers to Spirit indwelling.

And you're sure there's a difference?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by notofworks

And you're sure there's a difference?

Pretty sure.

Those who don't, see the Spirit in a one-dimensional way. They don't understand the Spirit's unique role in calling/drawing, regeneration, sanctification, empowerment, interceding on our behalf, prophecy and other charismata, etc.

This one-dimensional view short-circuits and limits the Holy Spirit. He's active from the beginning (calling) until the end (bodily resurrection). Many, when they read "Spirit" think crisis experience accompanied by tongues. When they see "walk in the Spirit" they picture a man walking while talking in tongues Well, maybe not that dramatic, but pretty darn close.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Peter refers to Spirit Baptism, John refers to Spirit indwelling.

That is part of my point Jeffery. Peter said the promise of Spirit Baptism hinged on two things. Repentance and Baptism. That was all.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I suppose, Mike, all you can offer is accusing me of having A.D.D., straw something-or-others, or telling me that it's a messed up if we only obey the bible, or whatever it was you said.

I'm still just looking for an instance where someone "sought for the Holy Ghost", in the New Testament, and didn't get it.

I may have to take a nap. This isn't getting anywhere.

No, you are not going to answer my question about obedience. But you expect us to answer all your questions when in reality we have so far. You just refuse to read what we are saying. To say that we have to provide you with a verse showing people asking of the Spirit and not getting it is a moot request. I explained why. There are too many variables that if the bible di list them, the world could not contain them. As proudfather said, you will not find the bible speak about need to not smoke dope or need to not look at porn. There are too many things TO NOT DO that the bible simply tells us what TO DO.

But you will not listen to that explanation and keep your finger in your ears .



Meanwhile you can say that I know a lot of the bible and do not understand any of it, and that I often engage in self-satisfying discussions about the bible, and complain when someone says you have A.D.D.

Hypocrisy..

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by jfrog

That is part of my point Jeffery. Peter said the promise of Spirit Baptism hinged on two things. Repentance and Baptism. That was all.

I agree. But I'm not even sure he said it "hinged" nor that what he said was formulaic.

[mfblume]

There is no scripture that specifies a difference between Spirit baptism and Spirit indwelling. Show me where it is.

Who was it -- Jfrog, Jeffrey (cannot recall, apologies to the one who did not say it) -- who said that Acts 2 had BOTH indwelling and baptism happen at once, when I showed that disciples referred to Acts 2 and Acts 10 as reception, baptism, infilling, outpouring? That cannot be proved.

But Occam's Razor says they are one and the same experience if we research the issue, as I proposed on another thread about the same issue.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by mfblume

There is no scripture that specifies a difference between Spirit baptism and Spirit indwelling. Show me where it is.

Who was it -- Jfrog, Jeffrey (cannot recall, apologies to the one who did not say it) -- who said that Acts 2 had BOTH indwelling and baptism happen at once, when I showed that disciples referred to Acts 2 and Acts 10 as reception, baptism, infilling, outpouring? That cannot be proved.

But Occam's Razor says they are one and the same experience if we research the issue, as I proposed on another thread about the same issue.

There's an old thread "Salvation and the Spirit" that goes into this topic at length.

The scripture may not have a didactic treatment in broad-form of the Spirit, but we see it active in scriptures in various ways. The Johanine, Lukan and Pauline comments concerning the Spirit are diverse.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

There's an old thread "Salvation and the Spirit" that goes into this topic at length.

The scripture may not have a didactic treatment in broad-form of the Spirit, but we see it active in scriptures in various ways. The Johanine, Lukan and Pauline comments concerning the Spirit are diverse.

This is always the problem. Neither view is flatly stated. And people simply choose what they choose. But the simplest solution is something that is most sensible.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

This is always the problem. Neither view is flatly stated. And people simply choose what they choose. But the simplest solution is something that is most sensible.

And sensible is a matter of opinion.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Timmy

And sensible is a matter of opinion.

Oh, and so is simple.