Qualifications for Overseers
1The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. 2Therefore an overseermust be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.4He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, 5for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church? 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
Qualifications for Deacons
8Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine,not greedy for dishonest gain. 9They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 10And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. 11Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded,faithful in all things. 12Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. 13For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.
You are too funny Mr. Timmy I guess not tho...he is actually from a town about 35 miles from where I grew up...nobody there has too many nice things to say about him...sad...
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I do not believe he should serve in the ministry. There are many qualifications he is lacking from 1 Timothy 3.
The example of David is not the same. David's example is closer to that of Bill Clinton. Sure Clinton failed, but He could repent and still serve God. (I'm not indicating that BC was or is saved, only making the point that there is a difference between a political leader and a spiritual leader).
Furthermore, this whole thing came to light prety recently. I think these guys want to preach because they don't want to work a secular job. Todd Bentley comes to mind. They are exposed with some scandal, and it seems just as soon as its no longer national news thy're chomping at the bit to get back. It smacks of a hirling to me, not repentance.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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Furthermore, this whole thing came to light prety recently. I think these guys want to preach because they don't want to work a secular job. Todd Bentley comes to mind. They are exposed with some scandal, and it seems just as soon as its no longer national news thy're chomping at the bit to get back. It smacks of a hirling to me, not repentance.[/QUOTE]
There may be more to it than their not wanting to work a secular job.
Maybe they have a call of God and they can never be satisfied working a secular job. Because of the way God wired them, they HAVE to be in ministry. Sure, they are flawed, but aren't we all?
There may be more to it than their not wanting to work a secular job.
Maybe they have a call of God and they can never be satisfied working a secular job. Because of the way God wired them, they HAVE to be in ministry. Sure, they are flawed, but aren't we all?
Sam, this is bologna.
We're all flawed. The Spiritual man must kep the flesh under subjection, and none of us have that mastered. however there is a big difference between being not yet made perfect, and running around living a secret life filled with adultery, homosexuality (paying for sex with other men at that) and rampant drug use that would put some street junkies to shame, THEN within a short time of being exposed, all of a sudden everything is all right?
I'm sick of this anything goes Christianity. I think its time for someone to take a stand in the church. There's alot of folks who think taking a stand means women wear dresses, and men shave their beards, but thats not what God's concerned with.
however I am quite certain that God is concerned with people bringing shame to the name of Christ, which is why the Word of God specifically condemns many of the actions of TH. Lying, adultery, fornication, effeminate, etc. Its like reading 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 yet it doesn't seem to matter to some of you folks.
Can TH be saved, I would say if he truly repents, my opinion would be yes. But He should repent and be greatful to God for the grace and mercy of God. But Pastor, I don't think so, and I don't think there is any scripture for someone to pastor after doing such things, and being found out by the world AFTER they are a Christian.
There's a HUGE difference in being a liar, adulterer, fornicator, abuser, etc. as a sinner, then converting VERSES being a well known "man of God" who garners national attention for doing all of those things.
And again, its not like He backslid, went under the radar for a while and after sitting under another ministry and being evaluated for a while came back. He came back almost as quickly as He left.
As for the call of God. Maybe God does have a call on his life, the gifts of God are without repentance. I don't believe that if a minister sins God takes the call or burden out of their heart, but they must face the reality that they have disqualified themselves from the ministry.
Again I repeat, I don't think David should be considered in an issue like this. The question isn't can this man repent and find forgiveness, the question is does he have business having the spiritual authoridy/guidance over other believers, including new converts and babes in Christ. I say absolutely not.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
Well for me, as someone who has interacted with Ted over the years: I used to follow him on Twitter. But it just seemed that he was obsessed with any positive news about himself. It seemed to me like he was trying to prove to himself that he was restored or something. I know God has forgiven him, if he asked, but personally, I don't think it's ethical to start a church in the same city. At least it's not very classy. I wish him the best, but something just doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's just me.
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"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
Well for me, as someone who has interacted with Ted over the years: I used to follow him on Twitter. But it just seemed that he was obsessed with any positive news about himself. It seemed to me like he was trying to prove to himself that he was restored or something. I know God has forgiven him, if he asked, but personally, I don't think it's ethical to start a church in the same city. At least it's not very classy. I wish him the best, but something just doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's just me.
Maybe he's got something to prove... to others and himself.
Is there something to be said for the fact that he purposely did not go to a place where he would not be known to restart his ministry?
It's like he is putting himself on blast for all to see.
Talk about accountability!!!
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I guess not tho...he is actually from a town about 35 miles from where I grew up...nobody there has too many nice things to say about him...sad...
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