Eating raw meat may not be a sin, but it should be. I hate the stuff.
__________________ Jeremiah chapter 4 and verse 21 KJV
How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
1 Cor. chapter 14 and verse 8 KJV
8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
Joel chapter 2 and verse 1
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
I don't know about that. I know too many folks who are stuck in the extremes. When I see Christians of either extreme mistreating one another it makes me a bit angry.
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There is a big difference between the teachings of Hymenaeus and Philetus and whether or not short sleeves are appropriate men's wear.
I think there are two ways standards can become a heaven or hell issue:
1 - go to a church where standards are taught and use them as a point to rebel and cause division with backbiting and complaining
2 - to be so strict on them that a person despises and mistreats everyone who doesn't line up to what they believe.
that's it!
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I don't have any respect for folks so full of themselves that they draw lines where lines aren't supposed to be. God already drew all the lines we need, it's called the Bible. And it does set some standards and draw some lines.
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Amazing, the number of people who privately feel the Bible is inadequate.
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I have found that if people are taught and preached the word that the Holy Ghost will help them get where they need to be in terms of modesty and all the things we sometimes try to "make" happen. No, they might not dress like its 1935, but they won't go strolling down the street in a speedo and tank-top either.
If the Lord can deliver them and change them to a degree that they quit drinking, smoking, drugs, adultry and etc he is able to change them to the degree that they will be modest in atire, won't feed themselves with bad TV, internet books etc.
He is still God and we, even preacherly we's... are not. It is kind of funny that we can have enough trust in Jesus to deliver the drug addict, yet not trust him enough to teach the same former drug addict how to live in his new life and grow in grace without a bunch of junk we make up.
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Exactly.
Thats the wonderful thing about biblical principles... they are solid and timeless. You got guys out there pushing rules made up in the 1940's that don't cover everything for 2010, which is why people go on about television but use the internet and say that is fine.
The principles of the bible applied to both will keep people away from bad web sites and bad TV programs. If you try and cover every little thing with rules you will have a never ending list that will need daily revisions.
So I ask the question again...why do we need pastors? If God can't give authority to men to lay down some guidelines for teh church, then we're in trouble. Paul didn't seem to have a problem setting standards for teh churches, and he didn't always quote scripture.
God provided the ministry, but he also provided detailed instructions for the ministry...limits of authority, duties, expected character traits etc.
Things like: don't preach for personal gain, and one I particularly like: don't be Lord's over God's heritage.
Pastor doesn't mean "Church Boss" like so many of the rule makers seem to think.
If you live by the guidelines given in the Bible TRULY....and are filled with HIS spirit and allow GOD to lead and guide you, then you will know exactly what to do and not do. You don't need man making up rules to "apply to specifics" for today.
Disciple people to let Jesus be LORD. It's not about their intellect or capacity to figure things out on their own. It's about their hearts growing to recognize the Spirit's leading in their life.
I have a solid standard on that, medium well, and I preach that standard at every steakhouse I go to.
My standard is medium rare...I'd go with rare on some cuts, but my husband would probably vow to never kiss me again!
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
I always thought that "kosher" referred to the way the meat was slaughtered, processed and cut; not the way it was cooked.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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