From Dust to Dust

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rev

What about us is raised from the dead?

The old body? I think not!

The new man, the inner man is raised from the dead to walk in newness of life.

Was Christ's body raised from the dead; glorified, incorruptable, and immortal? Yes or no?

I could give you a complete bible study but I won't do that either.

Good, because any study denying the resurrection is a lie from Hell and smells like smoke.

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will not one day be ressurected.

Because spiritual discernment doesn't always agree with natural logic.

Here is something I believe God has been showing me:

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

I'm starting to believe that those that physically rose with Christ in the 1st resurrection, those of whom either died in faith or obedient to the law, are as it says above like angels in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

But then just as the Son in the above passage, they lose the flesh and remain as spiritual beings. It could be that this is where the figurative 1,000 year reign fits in which is simply the time between the cross and the initial outpouring of the Holy Ghost on Pentecost. I say figurative because scripture says one day with the Lord is like 1,000 years and 1,000 years is like one day. When you are in it's forever so to speak.

The 2nd resurrection is simply receiving the Holy Ghost from Pentecost onwards. We have passed from death to life at this point in time and are now part of the New Jerusalem, Grace.

I could be way off but just something I've been meditating on for quite a while in regards to physical and spiritual resurrections...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Because spiritual discernment doesn't always agree with natural logic.

Here is something I believe God has been showing me:

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

I'm starting to believe that those that physically rose with Christ in the 1st resurrection, those of whom either died in faith or obedient to the law, are as it says above like angels in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

But then just as the Son in the above passage, they lose the flesh and remain as spiritual beings. It could be that this is where the figurative 1,000 year reign fits in which is simply the time between the cross and the initial outpouring of the Holy Ghost on Pentecost. I say figurative because scripture says one day with the Lord is like 1,000 years and 1,000 years is like one day. When you are in it's forever so to speak.

The 2nd resurrection is simply receiving the Holy Ghost from Pentecost onwards. We have passed from death to life at this point in time and are now part of the New Jerusalem, Grace.

I could be way off but just something I've been meditating on for quite a while in regards to physical and spiritual resurrections...

Christ is our kinsman redeemer and elder brother. Would all of this apply to him? If not... throw it out. Because we shall be like him. He's not the Lord of Ghosts.

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Christ is our kinsman redeemer and elder brother. Would all of this apply to him? If not... throw it out. Because we shall be like him. He's not the Lord of Ghosts.

Did you even read it? How do you explain what I quoted in 1 Cor 15?
Please check your fruit in the process, some of your other posts in this thread are very typical of UPC Pharisee-ical jargon and bogus condemnation...

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Really?... Jesus could appear in a room with the door closed and locked... can you do that? His glorified body walked through the garden after leaving the tomb. Thomas touched his wounds. And he ascended into glory. Can you do that?

Go jump in front of a moving train... we'll see how spiritual your body is.

This sounds like the teaching of some wacked out cult leader.

It appears that you don't read anything and certainly can't answer any of the questions to the scriptures, you just come up with some babel from your carnal nature.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Rev

It appears that you don't read anything and certainly can't answer any of the questions to the scriptures, you just come up with some babel from your carnal nature.

So glad that you love "water worshipers"

You must really love Paul and Peter....

(Acts 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

If you haven't been baptized in the name of Jesus you are still carrying your sins around.


(Acts 10:47) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
(Acts 10:48) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

[SRM]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Did Jesus resurrect bodily? Is there a body still in the tomb?

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matthew 27:52-54
52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

John 5:27-29
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I do not understand how and where people insist that their body will not one day be ressurected.

Yes, in death we return to the dust. However, through the quickening power of God through Christ Jesus we shall awaken and arise out of that dust in immortality. To deny this is to teach a half truth. And as my mother always said... a half truth is a whole lie.

Also think of the theological implications of the false teaching that there isn't a resurrection. You'll have a bodily resurrected Christ worshipped by disembodied spirits for all eternity. He becomes the Lord of Ghosts. That's flat out flakey.

What is the purpose of a physical ressurection in your opinion? If flesh and blood cannot inherit the KOG there is no need for one to begin with.Jesus was the only man promised no corruption,where do you read saints have the same promise?.It all goes back to the Garden,what kind of death did Adam die?.did God tell Adam He would die two deaths?.Adam was not the first man to physically die,Abel was.Jesus did not come to restore the death of Abel.

It is amazing even though Solomon spelled it out,folks still disagree with one of the smartest man to ever live..He plainly said all come from the dust and all return..

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Sneekee

If it's an allegory, then what about Adam, who was taken from the dust?

What about him? What is your question?

[SRM]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Was Christ's body raised from the dead; glorified, incorruptable, and immortal? Yes or no?



Good, because any study denying the resurrection is a lie from Hell and smells like smoke.

Can you agree with Paul and say your eschatological hope was the same as Pauls? otherwords is your ressurection hope the same as Pauls?

Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:


Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


Paul says here He believes all things that were written in the Law and the Prophets,Do you believe they predicted physical bodies coming out of the ground? If they did,then Paul most certainly would be teaching a body ressurection in 1 Cor 15.

Act 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Here we have it from Paul..He said the things He believed and taught were from what the Law and Prophets taught..All we got to do is go back and prove from the source Paul had [law and prophets] to see IF they predicted the physical ressurection most churches teach today..it is that simple. I can save you some time by telling you..no they did not..but don't take it from me,check it out for yourself.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Did you even read it? How do you explain what I quoted in 1 Cor 15?
Please check your fruit in the process, some of your other posts in this thread are very typical of UPC Pharisee-ical jargon and bogus condemnation...

Denial of the resurrection is one of the first heresies addressed by Paul and the Apostles. I'm rather liberal compared to the UPCI. So that accusation doesn't wash. Denial of a bodily resurrection leaves one serving a Christ who's still in the grave. To say Christ rose from the dead bodily, but we do not is to make him the Lord of Ghosts, a God of the dead, not the God of the living.