For those that left the UPC... - Page 38

faithit166 · #**371** 07-24-2010, 02:19 PM

i agree it works both ways

DeepThinker · #**372** 07-24-2010, 04:57 PM

The attitude in which people leave is most important. "God" is a word today that we throw around to solidify what we believe, why we believe it and why it's important for others to know that we believe it. The United Pentecostal Church is a man made organization. Though man made, God works within it. Man always dedicates a work, an organization to the glory of God. God hardly is asked permission to start anything, we just go ahead and do it. And there is really nothing wrong with that. It's the way things are and God works with man within these limitations that man has built up around himself. The reason why denominations are in error is because they have this one idea and that is that they believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. Their thinking is that it's not possible to be a true believer if you believe in the Trinity or vice versa. That is just one big example.

Another denominational error is that all these organization all start out well in getting you in the door. They all preach grace at the start, once you are in then they move you away from grace and administer law. They never admit they are doing this, but to make you one of them, you have to participate in their indoctrination. When the condemnation comes when you can't live up to the standards to which they have set before you, all manner of sin is at the door. It all looks innocent. You see the older women and men and then you want to look like them. But you have no idea that "them" are miserable, blind, naked, empty of any joy. In Church is all smiles, out of Church they are a different person altogether. In Church they speak in tongues more than ye all, they can shout the rafters down. But they too without you knowing anything, are miserable, joyless. They are a product of what that denomination has taught them.

Very few have found a balance. These few had to leave that denomination and start one of their own as an independent. They are protesting against the original denomination that they came out of. Again, they start out well hoping not to be like the Mother, but they too will slip into the same thing because leaders develop a paranoia in wanting to keep their flock altogether. Thus a law or standards are created to sustain the flock from moving out of their midst. They attack other denominations to make their flock feel special that they are in the "right" church. While they suffer within bound, others outside in other denominations are being set free, the power of God in full demonstration.

God put a tree in the garden which was an unlawful tree to eat thereof. God knew that Adam who was created in His image would eat of the tree. Today we tell others NOT to do this that or the other and it's the tree all over again. Ministers today do a great injustice to the cross of Christ by putting these heavy weights on people that are unable to bear. They must come to their own conclusions by the direction of the Holy Ghost to put down what is unprofitable for their lives. Yes, the warnings must go forth that the wages of sin is death. But we are not the Holy Spirit and He alone knows how to get the attention of His children..........believe me He knows.

Sister Alvear · #**373** 07-24-2010, 05:16 PM

I don´t have time to real all these posts but concerning any matter our spirits much be right...so pray for baptisms of love...

Falla39 · #**374** 07-25-2010, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I don´t have time to real all these posts but concerning any matter our spirits much be right...so pray for baptisms of love...

Amen, Sis. Alvear, in Jesus Name!

DrPhil · #**375** 07-25-2010, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepThinker

The attitude in which people leave is most important. "God" is a word today that we throw around to solidify what we believe, why we believe it and why it's important for others to know that we believe it. The United Pentecostal Church is a man made organization. Though man made, God works within it. Man always dedicates a work, an organization to the glory of God. God hardly is asked permission to start anything, we just go ahead and do it. And there is really nothing wrong with that. It's the way things are and God works with man within these limitations that man has built up around himself. The reason why denominations are in error is because they have this one idea and that is that they believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. Their thinking is that it's not possible to be a true believer if you believe in the Trinity or vice versa. That is just one big example.

Another denominational error is that all these organization all start out well in getting you in the door. They all preach grace at the start, once you are in then they move you away from grace and administer law. They never admit they are doing this, but to make you one of them, you have to participate in their indoctrination. When the condemnation comes when you can't live up to the standards to which they have set before you, all manner of sin is at the door. It all looks innocent. You see the older women and men and then you want to look like them. But you have no idea that "them" are miserable, blind, naked, empty of any joy. In Church is all smiles, out of Church they are a different person altogether. In Church they speak in tongues more than ye all, they can shout the rafters down. But they too without you knowing anything, are miserable, joyless. They are a product of what that denomination has taught them.

Very few have found a balance. These few had to leave that denomination and start one of their own as an independent. They are protesting against the original denomination that they came out of. Again, they start out well hoping not to be like the Mother, but they too will slip into the same thing because leaders develop a paranoia in wanting to keep their flock altogether. Thus a law or standards are created to sustain the flock from moving out of their midst. They attack other denominations to make their flock feel special that they are in the "right" church. While they suffer within bound, others outside in other denominations are being set free, the power of God in full demonstration.

God put a tree in the garden which was an unlawful tree to eat thereof. God knew that Adam who was created in His image would eat of the tree. Today we tell others NOT to do this that or the other and it's the tree all over again. Ministers today do a great injustice to the cross of Christ by putting these heavy weights on people that are unable to bear. They must come to their own conclusions by the direction of the Holy Ghost to put down what is unprofitable for their lives. Yes, the warnings must go forth that the wages of sin is death. But we are not the Holy Spirit and He alone knows how to get the attention of His children..........believe me He knows.

To deep thinker,

I'm sure your thoughts apply to many, but you paint with too broad a brush. Not all of us who left the UPC fight against it. My admission is that the UPC didn't change, I changed. I am very grateful for my upbringing, the knowledge of scripture I gained, the passion for worship, and mostly a relationship with Jesus. What grieves me the most is that many from my past must view me as a heretic for leaving which cuts off fellowship. I recently attended the Missouri family camp because some of my family was participating in the service. I enjoyed myself thoroughly. I probably enjoyed myself more than when I was in the UPC because I didn't have to own the things I don't agree with, I was just able to enjoy that which I treasure.

While it is true that each denomination has their own distinctives, many denomination have the humility to admit that they don't have a corner on the truth. I heard a very "out of the box" Southern Baptist pastor say one time. "Denominationalism is dead-the sense that one denomination is right-however, denominations will not die because people still need a bucket to carry their theology in." I agree with that. I love my roots and I love where God has brought me to.

Sister Alvear · #**376** 07-25-2010, 12:35 PM

I worry when people come out of whatever swinging swords...they may leave what they come into the same way...a kind gentle spirit says a whole lot...

DrPhil · #**377** 07-25-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I worry when people come out of whatever swinging swords...they may leave what they come into the same way...a kind gentle spirit says a whole lot...

Amen sis!

Hoovie · #**378** 07-25-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

To deep thinker,

I'm sure your thoughts apply to many, but you paint with too broad a brush. Not all of us who left the UPC fight against it. My admission is that the UPC didn't change, I changed. I am very grateful for my upbringing, the knowledge of scripture I gained, the passion for worship, and mostly a relationship with Jesus. What grieves me the most is that many from my past must view me as a heretic for leaving which cuts off fellowship. I recently attended the Missouri family camp because some of my family was participating in the service. I enjoyed myself thoroughly. I probably enjoyed myself more than when I was in the UPC because I didn't have to own the things I don't agree with, I was just able to enjoy that which I treasure.

While it is true that each denomination has their own distinctives, many denomination have the humility to admit that they don't have a corner on the truth. I heard a very "out of the box" Southern Baptist pastor say one time. "Denominationalism is dead-the sense that one denomination is right-however, denominations will not die because people still need a bucket to carry their theology in." I agree with that. I love my roots and I love where God has brought me to.

DR P,

Very well said.

I must say I have a similar attitude as far as not "owning" even though I do attend a UPC. Though many would not be comfortable with that, I see it as a matter of maturity. Critical thinking is not always welcome I know, yet, I feel we have an obligation to weigh what we receive even on home turf.

ILG · #**379** 07-26-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

To deep thinker,

I'm sure your thoughts apply to many, but you paint with too broad a brush. Not all of us who left the UPC fight against it. My admission is that the UPC didn't change, I changed. I am very grateful for my upbringing, the knowledge of scripture I gained, the passion for worship, and mostly a relationship with Jesus. What grieves me the most is that many from my past must view me as a heretic for leaving which cuts off fellowship. I recently attended the Missouri family camp because some of my family was participating in the service. I enjoyed myself thoroughly. I probably enjoyed myself more than when I was in the UPC because I didn't have to own the things I don't agree with, I was just able to enjoy that which I treasure.

While it is true that each denomination has their own distinctives, many denomination have the humility to admit that they don't have a corner on the truth. I heard a very "out of the box" Southern Baptist pastor say one time. "Denominationalism is dead-the sense that one denomination is right-however, denominations will not die because people still need a bucket to carry their theology in." I agree with that. I love my roots and I love where God has brought me to.

It is great to hear your positive testimony.

I wasn't raised in the UPC and was there for 19 years. I felt the experience was very negative. It will take me many years before I could go to campmeeting and enjoy it. I hope to sometime in my lifetime though, but that time is definately not now. I have been out five years and may need another 15.

GraceAmazing · #**380** 07-26-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

It is great to hear your positive testimony.

I wasn't raised in the UPC and was there for 19 years. I felt the experience was very negative. It will take me many years before I could go to campmeeting and enjoy it. I hope to sometime in my lifetime though, but that time is definately not now. I have been out five years and may need another 15.

I understand where you are coming from to a point...I pray that God gives you complete "healing"...hugs!