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View Poll Results: Is Jesus sitting on the throne in flesh?
Yes he's still in flesh. 15 42.86%
No, The Word is Spirit. 13 37.14%
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:22 PM
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?

1Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
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1Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
I don't think that verse 44 would mean that we will not have a physical body (even though it will be glorified, supernatual as opposed to natural :-), the spiritual part could refer to the fact that after we have our glorified bodies we will no longer have the "old nature" we inherited from Adam.

Jesus showed after His resurrection that He could have a body that was - both - a physical "flesh and bones" body that could eat natural food, as well as have "supernatural" qualities also.
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I don't think that verse 44 would mean that we will not have a physical body (even though it will be glorified, supernatual as opposed to natural :-), the spiritual part could refer to the fact that after we have our glorified bodies we will no longer have the "old nature" we inherited from Adam.
I never said we won't have a physical body. We won't have our old bodies. They will be changed

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Jesus showed after His resurrection that He could have a body that was - both - a physical "flesh and bones" body that could eat natural food, as well as have "supernatural" qualities also.
Again we all acknowledge this. It's time to move on. Nobody argued His resurrected body was not physical.

The question is about after he ascended into heaven and is sitting on the throne
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I never said we won't have a physical body. We won't have our old bodies. They will be changed


Again we all acknowledge this. It's time to move on. Nobody argued His resurrected body was not physical.

The question is about after he ascended into heaven and is sitting on the throne
Well, since there is no scripture that says He gave up the physical body He resurrected with that would indicate more that He still does have it rather than otherwise.
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Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
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Well, since there is no scripture that says He gave up the physical body He resurrected with that would indicate more that He still does have it rather than otherwise.
once again, nobody is denying a physical resurrection.

Nobody claims he gave up his body.

The bible says our bodies will be changed.

1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."

That changed body is called a spiritual body.
1Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
1Co 15:49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.
1Co 15:50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
1Co 15:51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.

The natural body will be changed to a spiritual body
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Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
That's speaking metaphorically. You don't really believe that we are literally a bunch of cells or building blocks of His literal physical body that died on teh cross do you?
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?

It was a man lived, died, and rose again, and when Christ returns to Earth to reign He will be reigning as that same man. It will be a literal man returning to Earth. Yes Jesus is still in his flesh.
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1Jn 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?

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1Jn 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
That is exactly right we will have glorified bodies like the one Jesus was resurrected in when He returns
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