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Old 08-20-2010, 07:56 PM
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

jfrog have you ever spoken in tongues am just wondering is all
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:01 PM
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

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Could it be that there are those who do not recognize stories, analogies and
experiences, that are actually based on scriptural principals. But they don't
recognize points UNLESS they are posted in quotation marks, complete with
where it is found. Then there is the leading of the Spirit!

Jesus had his reasons for used parables, etc. The prophet Nathan used a
story when confronting David of his sin. David got the point! He repented!
He didn't try to argue his way out! David feared God, which is the beginning
of wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

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Sis Falla, like D4T said, your a precious lady, a saint of God, and I believe we will be together in heaven, along with many others who have trusted in Christs blood to atone for their sins, who may not agree with either of us.

What really gets me from the UPC crowd, is that as long as we just follow the rank and file like "that ants go marching one by one hurah, hurah" then were considered sensative spiritual saints of God.

But the moment we get on our faces in prayer and study the Word of God and come to a conclusion DIFFERENT than that of a denomination that hasn't even existed for a century, and a salvation doctrine that wasn't even prominent until the 1960's, THEN all of a sudden were not sensative to the Spirit, rebellious, backslid, charismatic, pagan, or whatever.

Why, because we seek a christianity that makes sense with the bible and with what we observe.

When I see people who truly repent of their sins and "seek" for the Holy Ghost and leave the alter with "nothing" and some do this for YEARS, some DIE "seeking", "almost" getting it,and the such like, all the while all of this flies in direct contradiction to what Jesus said in Luke 11, I ain't buy it.

IS GOD A LIAR??????????????

If He said that if our children ask a fish will we give them a serpant?....then how much MORE will your heavenly Father give the Holy Ghost to those who ASK Him.

In the initial evidence doctrine there are THOUSANDS, perhaps MILLIONS who have asked the heavenly Father for the Holy Ghost AND he has given them NOTHING. And don't say they didn't repent, not all did, but pleny have, and even submitted to Jesus name baptism.

The doctrine doesn't make biblical sense, and its about time somebody deals with it honestly, or the older generation can keep their heads in the sand and lose the yonger generation, the latter seems to be the course of action for the UPC.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:05 PM
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I would take that further and say that three steppers (although I don't care for that term) have more conclusive, visible evidence than a one-stepper with our eyes closed and hands tied behind our backs. Just sayin'.....
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:08 PM
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

god knows the heart,and if they have yet to recieve it maybe god knows something we dont know
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:08 PM
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Isn't prophesying also a biblically noted evidence of spirit baptism?
Isn't prophesying considered the "better gift" ?
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:30 PM
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

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Isn't prophesying considered the "better gift" ?
only if tongues is not interpreted.
T + I = P

It is my understanding that tongues plus interpretation are equal to prophecy
like 2 nickels are equal to a dime.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:09 PM
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jfrog have you ever spoken in tongues am just wondering is all
Does it matter?
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:19 PM
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

i was just wondering if you had ever experienced speaking in tongues,or are you just speaking things you know not
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:58 PM
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only if tongues is not interpreted.
T + I = P

It is my understanding that tongues plus interpretation are equal to prophecy
like 2 nickels are equal to a dime.
Prophecy is it's own gift.

There is the gift of tongues.
The gift of interpretation of tongues.
Then there is, separate from those, the gift of prophecy.
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Old 08-21-2010, 12:08 AM
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Just got back in from a youth rally in a town down the road. Lots of kids at the altar. One cried & pled for over an hour for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

No go tonight.

Maybe next time.
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