Burning the Koran

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And here is Rauf's threat. What he is saying, in essence, is, "If we do not get our way America is in danger."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...done_this.html




I cannot stand someone threatening me in order to get their way and I absolutely cannot stand when someone is using fear as an accessory.

If we are going to live under these continued threats because of everything we do and say, then bring it and get it over with. It's only going to escalate. We've fought two wars that we cannot win because both Afghanistan and Iraq's constitution are written to support barbaric Sharia Law.

If there is a such thing as a "moderate" Islam, Imam Rauf is showing us that this probably is not true. At least, he certainly makes us question it.

Bring it!!!

Don't get sucked into the madness. That's what this pastor is allowing.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The Nazi party started with book burning. In your own church history when the Catholic Church burned Hess' writings (and Hess too as an added bonus) it kicked off the Hessian wars.

The people who are mad are not "frenzied maniacs". The russians (remember the big red storm? LOL) figured out what would happen when the average afghan got mad at them, banded together, and ran them right out of their country.

We spent trillions of dollars protecting ourselves from the russians. Remember how close it was? All of the US, all of Europe, was afraid of a Russian invasion. Yet those Afghan villagers ran them right out of their country when we were afraid to directly face them anywhere.

All they need is something to rally the people around and they will run right over our troops. We are not Russia. We're farther away and our supply chain is thousands of miles longer. I do not want to see what will happen if the average Afghan family man decides that what we are doing is against what he and his family believe and they all turn on us in their streets. They are barely convinced that we are good people anyway. Why give them a reason to believe otherwise?

Our generals know and they are concerned. Their concern I believe is for good reason and I hope to god our alliance does not turn on our people in their streets.

Amen. This pastor is of the devil. He might be a "spiritual spy", used of the enemy to make things worse for us.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Muslims are (also) waiting for Isa (Jesus Son of Mary) to return and rule the world. So sez the Quran

Don't forget the al-Mahdi.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Nevertheless, you don't limit legitimate freedoms across the board simply because they are a possible precursor to violence. Many people exercise freedom of speech every day and it never goes any deeper than acting like dolts in public.

I don't believe we should take preemptive action against American citizens. Being able to express negative and even offensive opinions without real repercussion is one of the things that makes our country unique. I'd like to retain that value even when I'm disgusted as some of the opinions that are expressed.

It is already illegal to yell "FIRE" in a crowded building. Charges are brought against those who do this rather anyone gets hurt or not. If someone gets hurt, they are not only charged for yelling "FIRE" but liable for any damages or loss of life.

Yes... laws restrict freedoms to protect people from potential harm every day. Laws against drinking and driving are another example.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

IMO, this is the single aspect that makes this situation unique. I have a nephew in Iraq, and our family would be devastated if something happened to him because an overzealous pastor wanted to make a political point. There can reasonably be some circumstantial limitations during wartime. Too bad the media hasn't paid attention to the circumstances. They have no problem reporting things that put our troops in harms way.

Great point...the media has allowed this man the platform to do what he's about to do and incite millions to outrage and possible violence. Of course, the media's job is to report.

If I were the governor... I'd order the man be stopped and face whatever legal ramifications came my way (the gov would probably score political points big time). I'd argue that his actions are a public danger and that it was my duty to stop him. And if I lost my job and career in politics, I'd stand by my promise to protect the public welfare. I'd probably be on every television talk show, interviews, book deals, you name it. I'd still feed my family. But I'd make a statement that something like this is not only wrong... but that it's dangerous to the public welfare and the safety of our troops. And the broader statement would be to the world at large... the average American doesn't agree with this nut case.

The media will hound the issue for ratings.
The pastor is doing all this for publicity (he isn't speaking for Christians or the Gospel).
The politicians are taking sides for or against for votes.
The authorities wont act because they don't want to loose their jobs.

The Muslims... sadly, the extremists will gladly do something about it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by whoami

What does that have to do with anything? As Christians, shouldn't we be the better person? So they use Bible's for toilet paper. I have the Word hidden in my heart and couldn't care less about the printed paper. Jesus was murdered and prayed "Father forgive them." as he was dying instead of retaliating with the same action.

Amen. This pastor is full of the devil.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Don't get sucked into the madness. That's what this pastor is allowing.

The pastor is retaliating with actions. I don't believe what he is doing is a good thing. He should have used that day for a gathering of prayer instead of a book burning.

All I'm saying is that if you are going to continue to threaten America if you don't get your way, it's going to cause some trouble. So, I would prefer to have the trouble than to be cowered in fear.

Imam Rauf is using fear tactics to threaten us and we need to call him on it. The average American isn't going to put up with that in their neighborhoods. It's going to eventually start a civil war.

I am not advocating picking up arms, but I am saying that we are not afraid to defend ourselves either. Don't threaten me. Don't threaten America in order to subjugate us to your ways.

Look, the Muslims were already up in arms over the majority of America not wanting a mosque at what they perceive as a landmark area for Ground Zero. The book burning, perhaps, added fuel to the fire, but make no mistake - trying to appease the Muslim world is simply not going to work.

In order to do that, we will have to kow-tow to their every wishes and will eventually have to subjugate ourselves to their beliefs and their way. The Ground Zero mosque and the book burning are side issues to what the real and dangerous deep seated problem with Islam is about.

So, again, don't threaten our country with your violence, we will fight back.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So, again, don't threaten our country with your violence, we will fight back.

Bullies. Cartoons, arrests any excuse to threaten violence. And it is working. How is this different than the Somallians hijacking boats and we always give them the money.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Amen. This pastor is full of the devil.

He may just be acting in ignorance. The devil recruits handsome, articulate, smooth operators. The IMAM is full of the devil. He has image, works a crowd, lies about intent etc.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by coadie

Bullies. Cartoons, arrests any excuse to threaten violence. And it is working. How is this different than the Somallians hijacking boats and we always give them the money.

We will never be able to appease Islam with it's Sharia Law. It is against us at the outset. There is no separation of church and state. It's a done deal.

Imam Rauf says that the US Constitution is Sharia compliant.

He is not being truthful.

1- Jihad, defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion,” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.

2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.

3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.

4- A percentage of Zakat (charity money) must go towards jihad.

5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.

6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.

For the full 34 points:

read http://frontpagemag.com/2010/08/27/sharia-for-dummies/)

Imam Rauf supports Sharia Law.