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Originally Posted by Rob McKee
Sorry, didn't mean to offend. I've found debate really changes little. It really is silly to debate. If I showed you scripture...would you change? I could show 15 scriptures to prove our doctrinal stance...and re- comment every comment but it wouldn't changed the minds of those that are determined to believe.
The only hope for those who have abandoned the truth their parents preached (like Dan) is to realize the power is gone from their lives and churches...of course they rarely admit it's because of their abandoning of the doctrine of separation. So they continue their search for a "spirit-filled breakthrough church that doesn't teach separation in lifestyle and they are still looking... Occasionally they will find a former upc church that doesn't claim to teach this doctrine.. Yet it quickly deals away the doctrine of the imperative obedience to Acts 2:38.
While I do not subscribe to the idea that those who accept the doctrine of the pre-universal-doctrine-doesn't-matter church can never return to a love for the truth, I do believe that it is very very difficult. The amount of crow some would have to eat with their families and former pastors make it a pride-pill impossible to swallow.
So to answer your comment...this wasn't an attack against anyone. No arrogance... This post was copied from my facebook page and submitted here for mostly negative critique. I'm responsible for the church I pastor... If you don't believe the doctrine...walk out the door. The problem is some are so bitter towards some supposed UPC conspiracy to hurt them that they cannot walk away...ex Dan. It has some of you bound...you cannot walk away. It's not doctrinal issue so much as it is a personal spirit of unforgiveness I realize this doesn't apply to everyone...but many like Dan are seething packages of pain and bitterness.
Got to run...
Rob McKee (copyright 2010)<---in jest |
There are a TON of ex-UPCI churches that are doing just fine that wouldn't meet your criteria.
The Jones brothers are exploding in growth with Grace Church of Humble.
Church of Champions / Wendell Hutchins is growing at a fast clip in Champion Forest.
Spring Tabernacle in Spring, TX is doing great and growing.
even the more Chari-costal former UPCI folks like Richard Heard are doing good and still have the Holy Spririt of God fall in a powerful way just like in your church.
All those churches are less than a 30 minute drive from yours in Katy and doing just fine... not to count the hundreds (if not thousand+) churches who have left, modified themselves and are doing great.
Your attitude is wrong and not founded in reality by attendance or water/spirit baptisms in various churches that have left. I can name 10+ NON-GROWING UPCI churches in various Houston suburbs that are pretty much dead weight as far as the gospel message of evangelism goes. It goes both ways, many of the UPCI churches in your area are collectors and swappers of people who are already saved. If it hadn't been for TBC feeding the local churches for years with fresh blood Houston would be a much smaller area. Now Lufkin's churches are feeding on the folks who don't leave to expand the kingdom. Same way it is in Indianapolis, Saint Louis and Stockton feeder churches.
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