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10-07-2010, 04:26 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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Well, if the guy refused to pay, he can't really complain. I do think the FD should have put it out anyway. But, I tell you what. Nobody will skip paying now, and if they had put it out, more people would have skipped paying.
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"Refused" is too strong a word. According to the article, he just forgot to pay this year's fee. He had paid it in past years.
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10-07-2010, 04:43 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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Does this apply to God?
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Nope. He gets to operate by His own set of rules, being God and all. That's why He gets to determine who goes to heaven and who doesn't--because He knows everything and knows what's best for us, and He can make life/death decisions for other people. We don't [can't] know what's best for other people, so we treat them the way God instructs us to treat them. (Love your neighbor as yourself, for instance.) God has the right to interfere or not based on His omniscience; we lack that ability, so we lack that same authority.
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If so he has a lot to answer for.
Actually that questioned has been answered by the courts and the clear response is you have no duty to rescue, unless you are the cause of the person needing to be rescued.
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If it has been answered that way, then it's stupid and relieves way too many people of justifiable responsibility for their fellow man.
I once hydroplaned out of control on a busy interstate with my two little girls in the back seat. I spun around 3-4 times in the middle of the road, and ended up against the guard rail facing oncoming traffic. Not a single person stopped to see if we were alright, even though the car was obviously banged up. I managed to get the car turned around and bump down the side of the road to the next exit so I could call my parents and my husband. (The car was actually totaled, but we weren't hurt.) Even though we were okay, it did miff me a bit that no one cared enough to stop and see if we were really alright.
I don't care what the law says; we are our brothers' keepers. That doesn't mean we never expect people to be responsible, but in emergency situations, Americans should respond with integrity and compassion. The South Fulton FD did neither, IMO.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
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10-07-2010, 04:51 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
Considering it was a volunteer unpaid position I don't see why the FD did not act.
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10-07-2010, 04:52 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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Do we know, in that city and state, that the FDs are funded by state and federal grants and taxes? Also if not state or taxes, federal funding would not be enough. Im just curious and BTW....
$75 is not a lot, not enough to prop up several city FDepts. It seems more like a shakedown on homeowners since, Im assuming, those that rent a house or apartment don't have to pay. It seems like another property tax
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A shakedown on homeowners? Did you even bother to read the 1st Section of the Document coadie posted? If not you should.
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10-07-2010, 04:53 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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Considering it was a volunteer unpaid position I don't see why the FD did not act.
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Who said it was a volunteer unpaid position?
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10-07-2010, 05:19 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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The department is comprised of volunteers. They charge $75 per year to be assisted by the department should there be a fire.
What's your question?
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I didn't read anything - it's on the news here and they are a volunteer firemen.
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Who said it was a volunteer unpaid position?
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The news
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10-07-2010, 06:01 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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Nope. He gets to operate by His own set of rules, being God and all. That's why He gets to determine who goes to heaven and who doesn't--because He knows everything and knows what's best for us, and He can make life/death decisions for other people. We don't [can't] know what's best for other people, so we treat them the way God instructs us to treat them. (Love your neighbor as yourself, for instance.) God has the right to interfere or not based on His omniscience; we lack that ability, so we lack that same authority.
If it has been answered that way, then it's stupid and relieves way too many people of justifiable responsibility for their fellow man.
I once hydroplaned out of control on a busy interstate with my two little girls in the back seat. I spun around 3-4 times in the middle of the road, and ended up against the guard rail facing oncoming traffic. Not a single person stopped to see if we were alright, even though the car was obviously banged up. I managed to get the car turned around and bump down the side of the road to the next exit so I could call my parents and my husband. (The car was actually totaled, but we weren't hurt.) Even though we were okay, it did miff me a bit that no one cared enough to stop and see if we were really alright.
I don't care what the law says; we are our brothers' keepers. That doesn't mean we never expect people to be responsible, but in emergency situations, Americans should respond with integrity and compassion. The South Fulton FD did neither, IMO.
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You apparently also don't care to use logic. God gets to operate by a different set of rules?
So we serve a do as I say not as do God?
I am not obligated to run around playing super hero to others.
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10-07-2010, 06:06 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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You apparently also don't care to use logic. God gets to operate by a different set of rules?
So we serve a do as I say not as do God?
I am not obligated to run around playing super hero to others.
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No, you're not obligated to play super hero to others.
However, you are obligated to be salt and light in this bland and dark world.
Maybe more Christians should look for opportunities to be salt and light.
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10-07-2010, 06:08 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
So Cain was right? We really aren't our brothers keeper?
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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10-07-2010, 06:11 PM
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Re: The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals
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No, you're not obligated.
However, you are obligated to be a salt and light in this bland and dark world.
Maybe more Christians should look for opportunities to be salt and light.
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Great, not sure how that translates to being morally obligated to stop any disaster that may befall mankind.
But hey how do you argue with "you are obligated to be salt and light"?
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