Command or commandments? - Page 5

Jack Shephard · #41 10-09-2010, 05:49 PM

Richmod, the only time I point out when someone is using a verse out of context is when someone is actually using a scripture out of context. Nothing personal. It just bugs me when someone/anyone uses/twists scripture around to try and 'make their case'.

Baron1710 · #42 10-09-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Good Post Bro Richmond...I'm with you.
Take note of all who argue the loudest...most were raised hearing and believing this, but had a bad experience with pastor who they felt judged them (and probably did). Many have been deeply hurt and cannot release it. You will never argue them into a change. We must pray that God gives us a "love for truth"... We must love people but NEVER more than we love truth.

Truth? What is "Truth" to you?

I didn't have a bad experience I had a great experience. It happened in Segraves class on Romans in the early 90's. I realized that all this nonsense that had been packaged as truth was really just man made religion and much what was called truth was actual nothing more than just man made nonsense.

Rob McKee · #43 10-09-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Truth? What is "Truth" to you?

I didn't have a bad experience I had a great experience. It happened in Segraves class on Romans in the early 90's. I realized that all this nonsense that had been packaged as truth was really just man made religion and much what was called truth was actual nothing more than just man made nonsense.

LOL...I had a few of those classes in Bible College where I wasn't paying attention too. Don't feel bad...I'm sure it wasn't Bro Seagraves fault...when you don't want to be in class...almost everything sounds like foolishness.

Baron1710 · #44 10-09-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob McKee

LOL...I had a few of those classes in Bible College where I wasn't paying attention too. Don't feel bad...I'm sure it wasn't Bro Seagraves fault...when you don't want to be in class...almost everything sounds like foolishness.

I actually like to learn. I didn't bury my head in the sand and pretend that I knew it all. Justification by faith makes one scream out...FREEEEDOOOOOM.

Rob McKee · #45 10-09-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

I actually like to learn. I didn't bury my head in the sand and pretend that I knew it all. Justification by faith makes one scream out...FREEEEDOOOOOM.

Awesome...love that song...and freedom

TGBTG · #46 10-09-2010, 08:43 PM

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another

Baron1710 · #47 10-09-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another

Great? The relevance is...?

Are you insinuating I am Using liberty for an occasion to the flesh?

Godsdrummer · #48 10-10-2010, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I found something along these lines the other day. A pastor I know preached from the following passage:

Matthew 7:24-27
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

The preacher began to preach against television, preach the dress code, all the "Pentecostal Traditions", telling us, "We are not to just hear what Jesus commands, but we are to do them!"

I walked away feeling spiritually starved and began to read the passage in context. This is the closing of Christ's "Sermon on the Mount". Christ had just given what might be called the most comprehensive body of Christian teaching recorded in the Gospels. All the subjects addressed are found beginning in chapter 5 and continuing through chapter 7. The subjects include:

The Beatitudes
Being Salt and Light
The Fulfillment of the Law
Murder and Hatred
Adultery and Lust
Divorce and Remarriage
Oaths
An Eye for an Eye
Love for Enemies
Giving to the Needy
Prayer
Fasting
Treasures in Heaven
Do Not Worry
Judging Others
Asking, Seeking, Knocking
The Narrow and Wide Gates
A Tree and Its Fruit
The Wise and Foolish Builders

When Christ speaks of obedience to his teachings... we have to find out what he is teaching in that context.

That's my take. Thoughts anyone?

Ya Some one is getting it

If anything these are the commandments of God that we are to obey!!! Where tell me is the list of holiness standards given anywhere in the word, that has been preached as holiness?

Holiness is not the outside.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

vain babblings (fruitless discutions) in other words things that have no bearing on our relationship to God.

Too many have become tomb painters instead of having a relationship with God. This is the same as being under the law.

Godsdrummer · #49 10-10-2010, 07:49 AM

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The spirit is subject unto the prophet.

And how does this have any relavance to us being subject to a pastor?

A dictator? Sounds like you have had some men in your life that were not quite fulfilling the call of a pastor very well. No wonder it's hard to submit to a man of God or even see the need to; real men of God are not dictators at all.
I think it futile, though I could inundate a post with the WHY we need spiritual leadership and accountability in our lives.

You are just building my case where do we get spiritual leadership? From a man? He has the same holy ghost I have how does this make him more spiritual then the rest of us?

God established it like that for a reason. Just because you or I may not understandy why, we do know He is looking out for us.

God established it like that? Where? In the OT? Quit looking through the eyes of your training and preconseived traditions, Maybe you think Moses was this example? Why because God used him to lead his people out of Egypt? Or maybe because God handed Moses the ten commandments. Which by the way he gave to the people who in turn took the teaching to thier children. Moses did not instruct the people in a pastoral capacity each family taught their own children.

Moses then became a mediator between disputes between the children of Isreal.

You can follow this patern all down the OT. They did not have pastors or even leaders as our churches are set up today. So where do you get God made this great change in NT times.

I may later bring more complete thoughts to the table and expound on more of your post; i hate just leaving most of it untouched, but I must for right now. I really need

Look forward to hearing what more you might bring to the table.

Hope your day is great.

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Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Good Post Bro Richmond...I'm with you.

Take note of all who argue the loudest...most were raised hearing and believing this, but had a bad experience with pastor who they felt judged them (and probably did).

Sorry Wrong I was the pastor card carring minister with UPCI for 10 Years assosiate minister with UPCI church for the next 10 years.
I am amazed at how quick UPCI people are to clasify someone they don't know based on their traditions.

Many have been deeply hurt and cannot release it.

Wrong again most people are smart enough that they question the doctrines and traditions preached by said holiness churches and realize they are not in the word of God and leave because the pastor will not see beyond his traditions and doctrines and bible classes that have been drilled into him as salvational.

More that two thirds of the people I have seen in my life that left over standards went on to find spirit filled non denomiational churches and grew in the spirit far beyond where they were in UPCI.

You will never argue them into a change. We must pray that God gives us a "love for truth"... We must love people but NEVER more than we love truth.

And as the question has been ask "What is truth?"

Aquila · #50 10-11-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

And as the question has been ask "What is truth?"

I've become rather close to a few Muslim friends here at work. Over the past three or four weeks we've been discussing Islam and Christianity. One thing that stood out to me is how they see Christians. They see us arguing and fighting over everything, and they see this as a testimony that we are in error and confusion. Ali, a good friend, explained that he is disturbed that Christians put such an ephasis on creed or doctrine and not enough emphasis on prayer and inward holiness. He believes that not even God cares what we know, because we can never know it all, but rather God cares about how we live because that directly effects the entire world around us.

I began to really think about that. Many in our fellowship are so hung up on "the truth", man made standards, and getting the formula right... but we're neglecting that solid, quiet, resolve of inner holiness.

I just thought I'd throw this in.