For those who believe in a post-trib rapture... - Page 5

notofworks · #41 10-18-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Having been pretrib decades ago, and surveying it for myself and comparing it with actual bible, I found it lacking. One thing I noticed that was false was the point you make above. There is no salvation by any other means than the blood of Jesus. It is severely wrong to think martyrdom will save a soul. The blood of Jesus was offered ONCE AND FOR ALL. That means everyone from the cross on can be saved by that blood and that there is no other means to be saved than that blood -- not martyrdom, not law-keeping, not animal sacrifices. Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Show ONE VERSE that says martyrdom saves a soul! The bible teaches no man gets to the Father but by Jesus. And that is the blood of Jesus in atonement for our souls. Beware when someone says there is a way to salvation aside from the blood of Jesus, like this claim that OUR OWN BLOOD can save us in martyrdom!

That is an emotional response that has no scriptural backing.

Where does the bible say God does not leave his people on earth in troublesome times? The Book of Revelation says GOD KEEPS or PROTECTS His people DURING troublesmoe times... not removes them.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Keeping us from the HOUR is not keeping us from the TIME PERIOD. It is PROTECTING US DURING that trouble. Jesus used the word HOUR and described his suffering.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

I am not post-trib rapturist, but all your arguments are emotionally based without sound scriptural foundation. Where does the bible say God treats us like little children in a busy intersection, or anything similar to it? We must through much tribulation enter the Kingdom.

The only thing that comes close, but does not even say what you claim, is this:

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

This means God will ensure we can BEAR the trouble and go through it. BEARING IT is not avoiding it.

WHat pretrtibbers do nto realize also is that the great tribulation is ONLY FOR JUDAEA.

Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
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Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

It is NOT WORLDWIDE. Just in Judaea, otherwise everyone in the earth should flee to the mountains. The reason they are to flee is because the great tribulation would occur. But he only told those in JUDAEA to flee, since that is the only place this tribulation would occur.

Pretrib teaching is pocked with holes.. I am not post-trib, but post-trib makes far more sense than pretrib.

My thoughts, anyway.
God bless!

As soon as you figure out what kind of "Trib" I am, could you let me know? I need to add it to my bio. Unchurched people are always asking me and saying stuff like, "Sure, I'll come to church by only if you're the right kind of Trib", so I need to figure it out.

ThePastorsCoach · #42 10-18-2010, 10:29 AM

Lord have mercy! I thought I had already been THROUGH the Tribulation! You mean there is seven more years of it! Hmmmmm

Aquila · #43 10-18-2010, 10:45 AM

I think a few things are wise, not just because of the coming Tribulation, but in the event of any large scale catastrophy. Everyone should have at least a months storage of canned goods and water, first aid supplies, and transistor radios. Any disaster relief agency would recomend this.

Also, learn to hunt and survive in the wilderness. Learn how to find, clean, and gather water. Books on these subjects abound. Much of this was common knowledge in ancient times.

Lastly, churches should form networks of house churches or home fellowship groups. In these groups you build solid bonding relationships and get to know one another intimately. Should a disaster occur the group can pool resources, assist one another, and have a non-formal and private pattern for gathering to worship.

One of the interesting movements in America, and the world, today is the house church movement. These are typically smaller, family based, non-registered gatherings of believers in homes throughout the country. Why is this movement growing? Could it be that the Spirit is leading believers OUT of institutional religion on account of the coming Tribulation?

Just a few thoughts after reading this thread.

God bless!

Michael The Disciple · #44 10-18-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I think a few things are wise, not just because of the coming Tribulation, but in the event of any large scale catastrophy. Everyone should have at least a months storage of canned goods and water, first aid supplies, and transistor radios. Any disaster relief agency would recomend this.

Also, learn to hunt and survive in the wilderness. Learn how to find, clean, and gather water. Books on these subjects abound. Much of this was common knowledge in ancient times.

Lastly, churches should form networks of house churches or home fellowship groups. In these groups you build solid bonding relationships and get to know one another intimately. Should a disaster occur the group can pool resources, assist one another, and have a non-formal and private pattern for gathering to worship.

One of the interesting movements in America, and the world, today is the house church movement. These are typically smaller, family based, non-registered gatherings of believers in homes throughout the country. Why is this movement growing? Could it be that the Spirit is leading believers OUT of institutional religion on account of the coming Tribulation?

Just a few thoughts after reading this thread.

God bless!

Yes amen.

ThePastorsCoach · #45 10-18-2010, 10:54 AM

Lord help us! Looks like us city folks are gonna be in a big mess!
Wonder where I would go in Atlanta to learn to find, shoot and kill animals, clean them and gather water?
I am laughing so hard I can't hardly sit on my chair! LOL
Where in the world is "the wilderness"? ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael The Disciple · #46 10-18-2010, 10:55 AM

Redeemed1 said:

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For those who believe we are going to suffer tribulation here on earth simple because people on the past suffered it, that is not correct. If the only way to get saved during the tribulation is by being martyred, then most of you are suffering from a martyrs complex.

Both assumptions are wrong. No post trib I know believes we will suffer the trib because others have. We believe it because Yeshua and the apostles taught the disciples they would be in a time of great tribulation before his coming.

And also no post trib believes the way to get saved is to die a martyr in the trib. This is a PRE TRIB doctrine supposedly for those who are "left behind".

ThePastorsCoach · #47 10-18-2010, 10:58 AM

I wish these guys that use Yeshua would just go ahead and post in Hebrew!

mfblume · #48 10-18-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

As soon as you figure out what kind of "Trib" I am, could you let me know? I need to add it to my bio. Unchurched people are always asking me and saying stuff like, "Sure, I'll come to church by only if you're the right kind of Trib", so I need to figure it out.

lol

You gotta be the right "trib" nowadays!