Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Regular physicals should also check for this sort of thing.

Indeed. Routine blood work for all personnel would be nice to safeguard against HIV or any other disease, be it in homosexuals or heterosexuals.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Again, just to be clear, you want to discriminate against a certain group of people, based on what they might contract down the road, but then not apply that standard to another group of people, just because they are slightly less likely to contract that disease?

Do you really not see the illogical aspects of that statement?

I would almost rather you be truthful and just say you don't like homosexuals and want them all to go away. At least I could logically reconcile that with what you believe. It would at least do away with watching you try and explain away illogical thoughts.

This is why religion needs to be kept separate of all political and governmental aspects. It leads us down rabbit holes where we start discriminating based on personal beliefs.

Strawman alert.

You are doing poorly. You are trying to twist medical arguments into politically arguments.

The Red Cross also doesn't take blood donations from me if I have traveled outside the country recently. It is called exposure to diseases.

HIV, AIDS

You should not give blood if you have AIDS or have ever had a positive HIV test, or if you have done something that puts you at risk for becoming infected with HIV.

You are at risk for getting infected if you:

* have ever used needles to take drugs, steroids, or anything not prescribed by your doctor

* are a male who has had sexual contact with another male, even once, since 1977* have ever taken money, drugs or other payment for sex since 1977

* have had sexual contact in the past 12 months with anyone described above* received clotting factor concentrates for a bleeding disorder such as hemophilia

* were born in, or lived in, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Equatorial Guinea,Gabon, Niger, or Nigeria, since 1977.

* since 1977, received a blood transfusion or medical treatment with a blood product in any of these countries, or

* had sex with anyone who, since 1977, was born in or lived in any of these countries. Learn more about HIV Group O, and the specific African countries where it is found.

Remember a soldier can be hit by a bomb and both he and his partners exposed to eachothers open wounds in battle.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Again, just to be clear, you want to discriminate against a certain group of people, based on what they might contract down the road, but then not apply that standard to another group of people, just because they are slightly less likely to contract that disease?

Do you really not see the illogical aspects of that statement?

I would almost rather you be truthful and just say you don't like homosexuals and want them all to go away. At least I could logically reconcile that with what you believe. It would at least do away with watching you try and explain away illogical thoughts.

This is what I agree with.

Originally Posted by Aquila

When it comes to HIV, gay or straight, I think one should be disqualified from service. That's a health risk issue, not an issue of sexuality.

Originally Posted by Twisp

Agreed. If a person already has it, that is definitely a different situation.

And, BTW, we just had a homosexual give his life to God in a recent service. He repented, was baptized and received the Holy Ghost. Hate the sin, love the sinner.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Indeed. Routine blood work for all personnel would be nice to safeguard against HIV or any other disease, be it in homosexuals or heterosexuals.

28 percent of gays claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners ...
in a lifetime.

News flash. Bloodwork doesn't safeguard against disease. Ever.
It is a diagnostic tool that catches disease that resulted from lack of safeguards.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

28 percent of gays claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners ...
in a lifetime.

News flash. Bloodwork doesn't safeguard against disease. Ever.
It is a diagnostic tool that catches disease that resulted from lack of safeguards.

Go ahead and provide the link for that stat. If it is the same link you provided in the past, that is a bunk statistic.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This is what I agree with.





And, BTW, we just had a homosexual give his life to God in a recent service. He repented, was baptized and received the Holy Ghost. Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Praise God.

I taught a home bible study that had a baptist preacher in it that was also carrying aids. They can repent.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Indeed. Routine blood work for all personnel would be nice to safeguard against HIV or any other disease, be it in homosexuals or heterosexuals.

See? We agree once again.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by coadie

Praise God.

I taught a home bible study that had a baptist preacher in it that was also carrying aids. They can repent.

He was shaking so hard under the power of God, he couldn't stand up. It was so awesome to be a part of that. I loved it!!!!!!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

See? We agree once again.

Airforce Standards
Pilot
•Normal color vision
•Distant vision: Uncorrected 20/70, but corrected to 20/20
Near vision: Uncorrected 20/30, but corrected to 20/20
•Meet refraction, accommodation and astigmatism requirements
•Corrective eye surgery could be a disqualifier
•Have no history of hay fever, asthma or allergies after age 12
•Meet Air Force weight and physical conditioning requirements
•Have standing height of 64 to 77 inches and sitting height of 34 to 40 inches

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He was shaking so hard under the power of God, he couldn't stand up. It was so awesome to be a part of that. I loved it!!!!!!

This is called classic deliverence.