Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy? - Page 75

Praxeas · #**741** 10-23-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I agree with that point. However, because of the topic, I believe this is why NOW made the point that it would definitely imply hell, since we are talking salvation.

Because he's leading others astray?

Sam · #**742** 10-23-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

WHAT????? Are you on something? So it certain cases the sinner's prayer works, but in others, it doesn't???

Good grief. There's no use to even argue, here.

I realize the "sinner's prayer" is not given in our KJV in chapter and verse but some places come close like:
Luke 18:13
Luke 23:42
Acts 2:21
Acts 8:37
Acts 16:31
Romans 10:9-13

I have led people in "the sinner's prayer" and believe that if they meant what they said/prayed they are genuinely saved and born again.

Now, how is that for someone who considers himself an Apostolic, One God, Jesus' Name, Holiness, Pentecostal preacher and who is ordained in one of the oldest Apostolic organizations?

Jeffrey · #**743** 10-23-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I realize the "sinner's prayer" is not given in our KJV in chapter and verse but some places come close like:
Luke 18:13
Luke 23:42
Acts 2:21
Acts 8:37
Acts 16:31
Romans 10:9-13

I have led people in "the sinner's prayer" and believe that if they meant what they said/prayed they are genuinely saved and born again.

Now, how is that for someone who considers himself an Apostolic, One God, Jesus' Name, Holiness, Pentecostal preacher and who is ordained in one of the oldest Apostolic organizations?

Not a fan of the sinner's prayer because of the false sense of security it's given people who were not yet converted. I see value in it when a person has come to faith. You will know by their question/comments.

Reminds me of a lesson I heard one time on "How do I know I am Discipling?" The disciples went from "What's going on" to "You are the Anointed One of God."

notofworks · #**744** 10-23-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

The point of the light doctrine in my view is that everyone will be judged on an individual basis. Not like all catholics are damned and all pentecostals are saved. I don't believe that should affect evangelism in any way.

DedMind, what I've been trying to say all along, is that you throw around this, "False Doctrine" stuff too loosely. Paul had EXTREMELY harsh things to say about false teachers and he never came within a galaxy of saying that false teachers were saved; in fact quite the opposite. Jeffrey posted the verses, to which you never responded.

So don't throw around your accusations unless you're willing to back it up.

Azzan · #**745** 10-24-2010, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Suspicious? LOL! I guess so! I hope no one reads stuff on here and makes real life decisions based on the that alone.

Enter Dr Vaughn.

I skimmed a couple of threads here about Dr Vaughn. Wow.

With all due respect, the "word" of any (and especially anonymous) internet posters is not like a notarized or other sworn statement. I would caution anyone against taking what is read here at face value.

I agree. That's why I concluded with "I know that probably doesn't mean much."

Debate, discuss, minister as you please but none should expect to be taken too seriously here if they are anonymous. That's just part of the territory.

Azzan

Azzan · #**746** 10-24-2010, 08:13 AM

In case you missed it, General Hugh Shelton (retired) went on record today on "This week" show saying that DADT should be left to the Army and Marines. He said it twice. I found this very curious as he left out the Coast Guard, the Air Force and the Navy.

I suppose this lends some credence to the shower/fox hole discussion here but it makes me wonder if there is a possiblity that some day some of the military forces may accept open gays while others may not. Is that a real possibility?

notofworks · #**747** 10-24-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzan

In case you missed it, General Hugh Shelton (retired) went on record today on "This week" show saying that DADT should be left to the Army and Marines. He said it twice. I found this very curious as he left out the Coast Guard, the Air Force and the Navy.

I suppose this lends some credence to the shower/fox hole discussion here but it makes me wonder if there is a possiblity that some day some of the military forces may accept open gays while others may not. Is that a real possibility?

I suppose we can debate how long it will take but eventually, I believe all of our society will open its doors. The issue is here whether we like it or not. Many Church Leaders believe it will be the foremost topic of the future Church.

Pressing-On · #**748** 10-24-2010, 09:51 AM

Transcript from "This Week with Christiana Amanpour".

I totally agree with General Shelton, especially his comment that I highlighted in red.

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AMANPOUR: Let me ask you about "Don't Ask/Don't Tell," and I want to put up what a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs told THIS WEEK, this program several months ago.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today we've changed. The country has changed. I am personally of the view now that attitudes have changed. And I think it is perfectly acceptable to get rid of the law and the policy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

AMANPOUR: Is it time, General Shelton, to get rid of that policy?

SHELTON: Christiane, I think it's time to let's see what the men and women that are at the basic combat unit, particularly men in the Marines and the Army have to say when the survey comes in on the first of December.

AMANPOUR: Will you support it if the Pentagon review says that it's time to get rid of it?

SHELTON: If the men and women in uniform at the fighting level, particularly, Marines and Army, say, you know, it doesn't make any different to us, and therefore it won't break the readiness of our great armed forces, then I think that's...

(CROSSTALK)

AMANPOUR: Why do you it would? I mean, look, some of the great allies of the United States have -- whether it's Canada, whether it's Britain, France, Australian, even Israel allows openly gay men and women to serve in the military. And they have great armies, great militaries.

SHELTON: They have great militaries, great armies. But if you check the historical records, Christiane, as you know, we've never lost to any of them. We are the top of the pile. We are the best in the world. And we want to stay that way.

And if this policy is related to combat readiness -- see, these guys -- these individuals don't go home at night. It's not the corporate world. You and I can go home at night, we live our own lives, et cetera. These individuals are intense. They're in barracks. They fight for one another. Who's on the left, who's on the right.

I think it's extremely important that we find out from them whether or not this is going to change why they fight. If it does, we've got a problem. If it doesn't, then we will proceed.

AMANPOUR: On that note, this is obviously a current issue that is being debated...

SHELTON: Yes.

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/week-...1957754&page=4