NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Giving is an act of grace. Doing good works are acts of grace. Worship is an act of grace. Where does this end?

It's like God has just told the most incredible story ever. His own. He shows off. Like many, he delights in giving. Then, someone takes the mic and tries to make secondary remarks over top of his story. Qualifying it.

Telling someone they must speak in tongues to be saved is the greatest heresy, DM. No matter how much we consider Spirit baptism to be an act of Grace (and it is). But where did we first receive grace? Are we saved of ourselves, our the same as Abraham, by believing? What does it mean to believe? Can I believe without the Spirit?

Paul says in Romans 8, he that hath not the spirit of God is none of his. This is not man's commandment. It is a bible command. Or do you disagree with Paul also? Could Abraham be saved if he disobeyed circumcision?