NOW, When Is Someone Saved? - Page 19

notofworks · #**181** 10-24-2010, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

I know your point, defending the honor of God's house. If we did the same today, we'd have 911 called on us and taken away by the police. Well, yeah, that did eventually happen to him.

But all things are relative. There are a lot of things they did then that would get 911 called, and a lot of things we do now that would get us stoned then. What he may have done then that wouldn't work in Americanized western culture doesn't constitute sin on His part.

But what sin, exactly, do you believe Jesus committed with the whip?

notofworks · #**182** 10-24-2010, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

And so, my fine people of AFF, rage and anger are not a sin. This is nice.

No, anger is not a sin.

shag · #**183** 10-24-2010, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

And so, my fine people of AFF, rage and anger are not a sin. This is nice.

Eph. 4:26 BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN;

Hoovie · #**184** 10-24-2010, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notofworks

I'll be glad to pass on to you the baptism study guide I wrote for our church. You can read it and finally understand it all!

I don't know that I have ever struggled with this much, but thanks anyway.

notofworks · #**185** 10-24-2010, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam

Three thoughts on John 3:5.

1. Those who think "born of water" here means water baptism are teaching the Roman Catholic doctrine that water baptism is necessary to be saved, to wash away sin and that it births one into the family of God. Here is a note at John 3:5 in my Douay (Roman Catholic) Bible. The Bible is official. It has the imprimatur of Bernardus Cardinalis Griffin dated 14 September 1955. The notes in it were compiled by Bishop Challoner (1691-1781). The note says, "By these words the Saviour hath declared the necessity of baptism...."

2. Jesus did NOT say, "unless a person is born AGAIN of water and Spirit...." He was not saying that water was part of a new or second birth. He was answering the question of Nicodemus about entering into a mother's womb and being born a second time. He was making it clear that the first first birth (the birth of water, or the birth from the womb, or the birth into the human family, or the birth of our human flesh) is different from the second birth (the birth of the Spirit, or the birth from above, or the birth into the heavenly family, or the birth of our human spirit."

3. Here is how one version of the Bible translates John 3:5-6:
Jesus replied, "What I am telling you so earnestly is this: Physical birth is not enough. You must be born spiritually. Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from Heaven."

EXACTLY! This is why the message of John 3 is SO incredibly clear. It's really very simple.