EMDR - is used to replace a tramatic event in one's life (in your brain/thoughts). You are asked to think of a "safe" place you can go to in your mind (big fluffy chair that makes you feel safe and cozy) or whatever. Then they begin the therapy by causing your eyes to go back and forth - which "opens files" in your brain of the bad experience and you are signaled to replace that file with your "safe" place.
The problem is that if might not work and you open even deeper or more disturbing tramatic events.
True. Some have found that the emotional and spiritual abuse they endured didn't begin in church. Sometimes it originated from early in their childhoods and situations in church mulitiplied the pain, sense of rejection, failure, etc.
Coadie, we're not talking about people who left because they were preached a biblical standard. We're talking about spiritually and emotionally abusive leadership that devastates many people and their families.
Prove it.
The counselor can't discuss his patient with the pastor. You haven't spoken with the psychologist. Apparently the counselor hasn't visited the pastor and is relying on renditions from the "victum"
WE DO NOT know the other part of the "Story"
You do have a juicy story of victumhood started here. It could be a bad pastor and likeley isn't.
The larger the church, the greater the odds of a new regular complaining about how horrible the church was that they left.
A very high % of counselors would be out of business if saints used the pulpit and bible for a path for living instead of them.
Prove it.
The counselor can't discuss his patient with the pastor. You haven't spoken with the psychologist. Apparently the counselor hasn't visited the pastor and is relying on renditions from the "victum"
WE DO NOT know the other part of the "Story"
You do have a juicy story of victumhood started here. It could be a bad pastor and likeley isn't.
The larger the church, the greater the odds of a new regular complaining about how horrible the church was that they left.
A very high % of counselors would be out of business if saints used the pulpit and bible for a path for living instead of them.
Coadie - - we don't have to prove anything - this is a discussion.
Of course, we don't have all the facts - - anything we discuss here we aren't privy to all the facts.......even yours.
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True. Some have found that the emotional and spiritual abuse they endured didn't begin in church. Sometimes it originated from early in their childhoods and situations in church mulitiplied the pain, sense of rejection, failure, etc.
Aquila, that ain't exactly true either. Where do you get your "stuff"???
"perhaps the most radical thing that I said in that book that deviated from traditional psychiatry is that I located the source of psychiatric ills in the conscious mind, rather than the unconscious.”
Yes this quote is from M Scott Peck M. D.a real psychoanalyst.
The old Freudian models say the garbage comes from repressed memories etc.
A real Repentence means no more bondage and no more chains. That includes the past.
There is a lot of money to be made selling psychotropic drugs to victims and carriers of anxiety disorders.
Kinda hard for folks to claim emotional abuse from a pastor when they listen to preachin' less that 75 minutes a week.
It sounds tempting for this woman to gossip about how bad the preacher is . One day they will have to do an intervention and have her cope with her issues. Boundaries may be a small part of them, but not the core issue.
Prove it.
The counselor can't discuss his patient with the pastor. You haven't spoken with the psychologist. Apparently the counselor hasn't visited the pastor and is relying on renditions from the "victum"
WE DO NOT know the other part of the "Story"
You do have a juicy story of victumhood started here. It could be a bad pastor and likeley isn't.
The larger the church, the greater the odds of a new regular complaining about how horrible the church was that they left.
A very high % of counselors would be out of business if saints used the pulpit and bible for a path for living instead of them.
Let's say you've been working with this saint of God and are trying to get them back "into church" and the saint opens up to you about what they're going through, talks about their counseling cessions, the therapies advised, and how they feel about church. They love the Lord, they believe the Bible. It's just the emotional pain that they've experienced in church that prevents them from wanting to come. They're willing to attend smaller informal gatherings, but not your traditional church services. Let's say you know this person and have for years. Let's also say you and they attended the church where the emotional and spiritual abuse transpired. Let's say that you too experienced a degree of spiritual abuse in said church and you do know quite a bit about their personal situation and circumstances around it.
Is it possible that trying to persuade this individual to attend church could be harmful to them?
Just a question, why would you advise a person be very cautious of EMDR? I'm just curious and gathering information. When it comes to this sort of thing I'm not an expert. Your thoughts are valued.
When I tried this, I had a most unpleasant reaction to the whole thing. I don't know why, my provider has no idea, and because of the trauma that the experience caused I never did pursue any further explanation, I just ran. For some reason, I had vivid, horrible, intense, REAL as life nightmares after my first treatment. They were, in a lot of ways, more real than reality. There are no words to describe what I saw, smelled, touched and experienced.
I wouldn't even have connected the eye movement in your post and this, except that these images have been creeping back into my dreams lately. Not like they were then, just around the edges, hazy, but enough that they've jarred me again and are causing me some issues.
I have friends who have used EMDR and have been thrilled with the results. I just don't know why it works so well for them and it left me in far worse condition than I was in before. I was practicing witchcraft at the time, but so were some of my friends who tried it. Because of my experience, I suggest caution and much study when approaching this sort of treatment option. I suppose it's like medications, they can be very effective but can also bring side effects with them. If I had been aware of what could have happened, I probably would have tried EMDR anyhow, but at least I could have been prepared for the possibility.
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I will go on record as saying, "Yes, attending church can be bad for your health-- mental and physical."
If your church building has asbestos floating in its ventillation system, that can have a terrible effect on your health.
Sometimes, the wrong church for the wrong person can actually drive down their sense well-being, their self-confidence, and create an environment where depression can grab a hold of some saint's life.
Sometimes, the wrong church has all sorts of sin going on-- or maybe not all sorts of sin, but a few people with sin whose actions are unchecked-- under the radar, so that it is never addressed. When your kid gets sucked in to that negative atmosphere, the fruit can only result in rottenness.
These are things I know about, personally.
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Aquila, that ain't exactly true either. Where do you get your "stuff"???
"perhaps the most radical thing that I said in that book that deviated from traditional psychiatry is that I located the source of psychiatric ills in the conscious mind, rather than the unconscious.”
Yes this quote is from M Scott Peck M. D.a real psychoanalyst.
The old Freudian models say the garbage comes from repressed memories etc.
A real Repentence means no more bondage and no more chains. That includes the past.
There is a lot of money to be made selling psychotropic drugs to victims and carriers of anxiety disorders.
Kinda hard for folks to claim emotional abuse from a pastor when they listen to preachin' less that 75 minutes a week.
It sounds tempting for this woman to gossip about how bad the preacher is . One day they will have to do an intervention and have her cope with her issues. Boundaries may be a small part of them, but not the core issue.
This person was in leadership and was at the church nearly every day for preparation for Sunday School, choir practice, family prayer, choral practice, morning prayer, out reach, etc. They were VERY involved and VERY close to the leadership. It's already confirmed that the pastor's wife suffers from chemical embalances and takes medication for it. Her mood swings and his accomodating her has led to a number of seriously hurt people. At one point this ultra conservative church MANDATED that everyone in leadership have a filter on their computer that generated a record of internet activity to a mailbox accessible by the pastor. They were not allowed to watch television, non-Christian radio was admonished and secular radio condemned, no worldly sports allowed, women were admonished not to cut the hair, those who did were condemned, slandered, and disfellowshiped,... the list could go on. I know the church this person came from, I attended too for many years before leaving because of abusive leadership.
You're missing the point Coadie...
Is it possible that someone could suffer from PTSD in relation to emotional and spiritual abuse in church?
Is it possible that while this person misses church on some levels, attending sends them into such a negative spiral that attending church is bad for them?
Not like they were then, just around the edges, hazy, but enough that they've jarred me again and are causing me some issues. 
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