Homosexuality ... How do the "Advocates" deal...

[whoami]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

But what I am asking is... In Homosexual homes, how do they deal with who is in charge? How do they deal with headship? So far... I have yet to see a successful one. The change rate of partners is very high. Many times we see it thrown out there, from the heterosexual community, that the homosexual is just some sexual deviant that wants as many partners as possible before they all die from aids. ( I am just projecting a attitude of what I have seen).

Yet in my dealing with homosexual couples from a professional standpoint, I do not see the beforementioned promiscuity. I see couples that are trying, in their way, to have as similiar of a relationship as a heterosexual couple. ( Obciously I am not meaning single individuals but couples)

But... for all their trying, why is it that there is always a tension regarding who is in control? Much greater, again, than I have observed in heterosexual couples. I quote no stats as my faith in them is pretty low. What say you?

I haven't read all the replies, but there are two homosexuals in my family that I will give my examples from. One is a male and has been with his partner for 15+ years, and the other is female and has been with her partner for 8 years, so I haven't seen the high rate of partner change. Other gay couples that I know but am not as close to appear to have had about the same average of partner changes as most average American heterosexual couples.

In both, there is one that is a little more dominant in their attitude, but I don't really see the struggle there any more than in heterosexual couples. I don't think that headship and who's "in control" ever really occur to them. ("Them" being the two couples that I'm talking about.) In the female/female couple, one works and the other doesn't (due to health issues) so the one that does work is naturally more in charge of financial issues and they don't fight about it.

I don't think headship could ever even apply here because the only headship references I've seen in the Bible refer to heterosexual relationships. I don't "advocate" homosexual relationships, but I do advocate kindness, and freedom.

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

You are absolutely right concerning the single parent homes, poor homes and in certain races.

Each present their own particular problems.

Single parent homes,..... where is the headship?

Poor homes... violent trends.

Rich homes .... tendency to higher priced sins is all. ie cocaine and etc.

Different racial profiles ... Cultural problems etc,

But what I am asking is... In Homosexual homes, how do they deal with who is in charge? How do they deal with headship? So far... I have yet to see a successful one. The change rate of partners is very high. Many times we see it thrown out there, from the heterosexual community, that the homosexual is just some sexual deviant that wants as many partners as possible before they all die from aids. ( I am just projecting a attitude of what I have seen).

Yet in my dealing with homosexual couples from a professional standpoint, I do not see the beforementioned promiscuity. I see couples that are trying, in their way, to have as similiar of a relationship as a heterosexual couple. ( Obciously I am not meaning single individuals but couples)

But... for all their trying, why is it that there is always a tension regarding who is in control? Much greater, again, than I have observed in heterosexual couples. I quote no stats as my faith in them is pretty low.

What say you?

Based on my personal observation, on a general scale, homosexual couples manage mutually. I've seen relationships that have tension in them and I've seen relationships that didn't have tension. The ones who did have tension were a poor match, in my opinion, for any number of reasons: personality clashes, different value systems, etc.

I've not personally witnessed any abuse but I'm not denying it's not there.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Thanks for sparing us!

So you operate on penises as a Medical Doctor, perform psychiatric evaluations, are an insider at the White House, a world-traveling missionary and are the "most educated" person on AFF. Are you related to the Dos Equis man?

All your nonsense on Sigmund Freud is baffoonary. I can name you Christian Psychologist after Christian Psychologist, who while discarding much of what Freud may believe outside of science, fully accept and attest to several of his theories inside science. The rest of your National Enquirer style arguments are bologna.

Freud wasn't "science"

Unless psychoanalysis demonstrates its scientific validity, it will not survive. But it is for American psychiatry and its international colleagues to decide that; and as the study of mental illness proceeds, Marxists will find many useful and creative functions for the social criticism and understanding they can bring to it.

Freudianism is put forth as a social philosophy

I am taking you for granted. I shouldn't assume you knew that Freud practice his therapy and it was called psychoanalysis.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

Freud wasn't "science"

Unless psychoanalysis demonstrates its scientific validity, it will not survive. But it is for American psychiatry and its international colleagues to decide that; and as the study of mental illness proceeds, Marxists will find many useful and creative functions for the social criticism and understanding they can bring to it.

Freudianism is put forth as a social philosophy

I am taking you for granted. I shouldn't assume you knew that Freud practice his therapy and it was called psychoanalysis.

Psychoanalysis is a social SCIENCE study.

While some rigorously debate if it is "scientific" or not, social science theory is no doubt affected by Dr. Sigmund Freud.

While many of Freud's ideas have fallen out of favor or been modified by Neo-Freudians, and modern advances in the field of psychology have shown flaws in some of his theories, Freud's work remains influential in clinical approaches, and in the humanities and social sciences. He is considered one of the most prominent thinkers of the first half of the 20th century, in terms of originality and intellectual influence.

Once again, you don't respond to a thing I say. You go off on some tangent about something I said, but can never stay on point. May I recommend some psychoanalysis for you?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Psychoanalysis is a social SCIENCE study.

While some rigorously debate if it is "scientific" or not, social science theory is no doubt affected by Dr. Sigmund Freud.



Once again, you don't respond to a thing I say. You go off on some tangent about something I said, but can never stay on point. May I recommend some psychoanalysis for you?

If it was science, it could be validated. The debate ended long ago. Another field that is foreign to you.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Disclaimer... Knowing there are some on this forum who advocate and even participate in the behaviour of homosexuality, I desire to start off the right way. I am coming from a viewpoint that is shared by the majority of America. If I get some of the wording wrong I do not mean this as a slam against anyone so, please, no offense intended. I start this thread in seriousness.

How do those who advocate homosexuality deal with the verse...

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

If in a standard home,(heterosexual) the head of that woman is the man, how does a home with two men, (homosexual) work? Now there are two heads.

In a home with two women, (Lesbians) now there is no head.

So we have either a home with two heads or a headless home.

With any situations regarding homosexuality that I have ever dealt with there is always a dominant partner and a passive partner. Yet,... I notice that there is always a strife in these situations.

While dealing recently with two young ladies involved in a situation, I observed that there was always a struggle between the two as to who was going to be the "head". It seemed to me that both were trying to fulfill a place of headship that was not theirs and because of their situation they were always in a conflict.

Their fights in the apartment were something to hear about. Very very violent. Obviously their living together relationship did not last long. This is a common problem that happens with many of these situations.

I realize that heterosexual couples also have their fights. I am not saying that just by having a heterosexual relationship will do away with the fighting. It just seems to me that some of the tension that I have observed in the homosexual pairs that I have dealt with, either professionally or even on the job, stems from the problem of headship or lack of it.

What say some on this forum.

Again, I am not slamming anyone, I am asking a question that I feel has merit.

I can see your point. It's not in the natural order. Most likely it depends on the couple.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Psychoanalysis is a social SCIENCE study.

While some rigorously debate if it is "scientific" or not, social science theory is no doubt affected by Dr. Sigmund Freud.



Once again, you don't respond to a thing I say. You go off on some tangent about something I said, but can never stay on point. May I recommend some psychoanalysis for you?

Flight of ideas. lol

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Azzan

Based on my personal observation, on a general scale, homosexual couples manage mutually. I've seen relationships that have tension in them and I've seen relationships that didn't have tension. The ones who did have tension were a poor match, in my opinion, for any number of reasons: personality clashes, different value systems, etc.

I've not personally witnessed any abuse but I'm not denying it's not there.

In 2000, the New York Times in an article entitled Silence Ending About Abuse in Gay Relationships cites some information which may indicate that domestic abuse may be under-reported in the homosexual community.[4] The New York Times article states the following:

“ But the issue of gay domestic abuse has been shrouded by silence until recently...
For years, gay people have tried to keep quiet about the problem, said Dave Shannon, coordinator of the violence recovery program at Fenway Community Health, a gay and lesbian clinic in Boston.

Mr. Shannon said: People feel, 'Why should we air our dirty laundry? People feel so negatively about us already, the last thing we should do is contribute to negative stereotypes of us.' [4]

Coleman, in a 1990 study of 90 lesbians reported that 46.6% had experienced repeated acts of violence

10.↑ Coleman, V. The Relationship Between Personality and the Perpetration of Violence, Internet, Abstracted from Violence and Victims, Vol. 9, No. 2, 1994

The Journal of the Family Research Institute using data from the U.S. Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics and the Center for Disease Control concluded that "married men who are not separated are at least 25 times less apt to be domestically attacked than a homosexual male in an 'on-going relationship.' Even if we include all married and separated husbands, the risk of domestic violence in a male-male homosexual relationship is still at least 18 times greater

5.↑ Gay Domestic Violence Finally Measured, Journal of the Family Research Institute, Vol. 16 No. 8, Dec 2001

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

If it was science, it could be validated. The debate ended long ago. Another field that is foreign to you.

You're sounding ignorant, you can't even be honest about the debate. All the knowledge in the world is squandered by dishonesty with facts.

Either way, his contributions to SOCIAL SCIENCE are many -- regardless if psychoanalysis itslelf is regarded or disregarded as "science." His field and profession and influence was most definitely to that of science. There's a reason he's one of the most influential men in the 20th Century.

researchers in the emerging field of neuro-psychoanalysis have argued for Freud's theories, pointing out brain structures relating to Freudian concepts such as libido, drives, the unconscious, and repression.[66][67] Founded by South African neuroscientist Mark Solms,[68] neuro-psychoanalysis has received contributions from researchers including Oliver Sacks,[69] Jaak Panksepp,[70] Douglas Watt, António Damásio,[71] Eric Kandel, and Joseph E. LeDoux.[72] Still other clinical researchers have recently found empirical support for more specific hypotheses of Freud such as that of the "repetition compulsion" in relation to psychological trauma.[73]

[coadie]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Disclaimer... Knowing there are some on this forum who advocate and even participate in the behaviour of homosexuality, I desire to start off the right way. I am coming from a viewpoint that is shared by the majority of America. If I get some of the wording wrong I do not mean this as a slam against anyone so, please, no offense intended. I start this thread in seriousness.

How do those who advocate homosexuality deal with the verse...

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

If in a standard home,(heterosexual) the head of that woman is the man, how does a home with two men, (homosexual) work? Now there are two heads.

In a home with two women, (Lesbians) now there is no head.

So we have either a home with two heads or a headless home.

With any situations regarding homosexuality that I have ever dealt with there is always a dominant partner and a passive partner. Yet,... I notice that there is always a strife in these situations.

While dealing recently with two young ladies involved in a situation, I observed that there was always a struggle between the two as to who was going to be the "head". It seemed to me that both were trying to fulfill a place of headship that was not theirs and because of their situation they were always in a conflict.

Their fights in the apartment were something to hear about. Very very violent. Obviously their living together relationship did not last long. This is a common problem that happens with many of these situations.I realize that heterosexual couples also have their fights. I am not saying that just by having a heterosexual relationship will do away with the fighting. It just seems to me that some of the tension that I have observed in the homosexual pairs that I have dealt with, either professionally or even on the job, stems from the problem of headship or lack of it.

What say some on this forum.

Again, I am not slamming anyone, I am asking a question that I feel has merit.

It seems the "advocates" are striving to say they see no violence so there is none. Not only is there plenty, It is difficult to deal with.

If these relationships are of a sex addiction and selfish nature, the loss of a power struggle and granting of authority just can't happen.