Doctrinal Question - Someone Please Take a Shot at This.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Aquila

All you're doing is connecting two verses based on the translation of a specific word. You're ignoring context. And if sins are remitted in the water how do so many, including myself, have our sins forgiven at repentance and receive the Holy Ghost prior to baptism?

Sins are not remitted by just repenting.You must confess them also and you confess them in baptism.NOTE confess. Where do we confess our sins? The blood is applied in the water in the name of Jesus. 1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Math.3:6: And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
Acts10:43: To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. (Remisssion in Jesus name baptism Acts 2:38)

Blood was shed at death.Rom.6:: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death (blood): that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death (blood), we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

Water baptism in Jesus name remits sins or washes your sins away. Acts 22:16:And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized,and wash away thy sins,calling on the name of the Lord

[Brother Price]

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. {1 John 1:9 ESV}

Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago. {Acts 3:19-21 ESV}

You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity." {Acts 8:21-23 ESV}

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. {Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV}

The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead." {Acts 17:30-31 ESV}

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. {1 John 1:9 ESV}

Context is important. This verse is written to Christians, even those who have been born again and are walking in the light

Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago. {Acts 3:19-21 ESV}

This verse can be explained a couple of ways because I can bend it to my POV as well because it doesn't specifically say that when you repent your sins are blotted out. This verse has to agree with all the verses that teach remission of sins.

You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity." {Acts 8:21-23 ESV}

Simon was already baptized in Jesus name, therefore he didn't have to be rebaptized for the remission of sins but repent and confess this sin as in 1John 1:7

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. {Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV}

Grace and faith are the means by which we are saved. Are we forgiven at belief?

The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead." {Acts 17:30-31 ESV}

This verse doesn't address remission of sins.

You all have been around this mulberry bush so many times that the poor little bush is standing alone atop a mountain taller than everest and you all keep getting lower with every pass!

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by philjones

You all have been around this mulberry bush so many times that the poor little bush is standing alone atop a mountain taller than everest and you all keep getting lower with every pass!

That's just funny.

Originally Posted by nahkoe

That's just funny.

Looks like I may have shut down the thread.... My bad!

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by philjones

Looks like I may have shut down the thread.... My bad!

If you did, thank you. But I doubt it... its got the word "doctrinal" in the thread title. The one word will prompt more "beating of the dead horse".

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by philjones

Looks like I may have shut down the thread.... My bad!

No one over the age of 32 can say 'my bad'.

[Brother Price]

pastorswife, so Jesus needs a man/woman to baptize a soul for that soul to be saved? The Cross was not good enough, so that we need a man baptizing us?

They always did in the Bible.
If the Bible is our road map that we should follow, how can we be saved with out it.