Post UPCI Gen Supt. Election Questions - Page 12

A_PoMo · #**111** 10-09-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

PM can say that he could have been the GS if he had wanted it. That gives him a LOT of political clout!

He can now keep his current position and have a heavy say in the direction the UPCI chooses to take.

Yep. He gets the best of both worlds that way. PM is no dummy.

n david · #**112** 10-09-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Yep. He gets the best of both worlds that way. PM is no dummy.

Nope, just a liar according to ya'll....

rgcraig · #**113** 10-09-2009, 01:32 PM

I strongly believe that had someone more lenient been nominated that he wouldn't have stepped down.

A_PoMo · #**114** 10-09-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Nope, just a liar according to ya'll....

You're being inflammatory. To accept someone's statement and move forward based on that in spite of doubt is not to call them a liar, it's merely taking what they say with a grain of salt and not having blind faith in a man. It is cautiously giving them the benefit of the doubt. Especially so when you're talking about a man who has demonstrated in very recent past a propensity for open and private politiking.

GraceAmazing · #**115** 10-09-2009, 02:18 PM

Oh wow...this isn't what I had in mind when I posted that. I agree that God can AND does speak to us and when we heed His voice, that's what He wants!! I agree Renda that if someone more lenient would have been close to being elected, that PM would not have pulled his name. However, I do believe that God's perfect will was performed in this election. I may not agree with everything PM stands for, teaches or whatever, but I do think that God speaks to him and I'm glad that he obeyed.

n david · #**116** 10-09-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kim Komando

Why the Holy Spirit wasn't checking PMs spirit while he was peacocking and sabre rattling to cons for the last year while trashing emergents and signaling to confidantes he would run is puzzling.

Lots of maybes, perhaps with PM?

Maybe his church is in a building project that is close to 20 million dollars in debt?

Maybe he has not been to secure his lineage (in law) as pastor as the church is not keen to the idea, and subsequently unable to secure a nest egg?

And, maybe it might be a reticent spouse or underlying health issues?

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Originally Posted by GraceAmazing

I think someone already mentioned this, but I think it's truth....I think Mooney pulled his name because the lineage of the church (in law) has not been established. A lot of people do not want him as their pastor...I think PM is a good man, but he knows where to stay if he wants to keep a job and money coming in...in Indy. At a great church, good school and at least he's sticking with the building program!

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Yep. True.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

PM can say that he could have been the GS if he had wanted it. That gives him a LOT of political clout!

He can now keep his current position and have a heavy say in the direction the UPCI chooses to take.

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Yep. He gets the best of both worlds that way. PM is no dummy.

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

You're being inflammatory. To accept someone's statement and move forward based on that in spite of doubt is not to call them a liar, it's merely taking what they say with a grain of salt and not having blind faith in a man. It is cautiously giving them the benefit of the doubt. Especially so when you're talking about a man who has demonstrated in very recent past a propensity for open and private politiking.

I'm not ... just connecting the dots.

It was said the reason he pulled his name was because he felt God told him to.

Others, including you, have openly questioned that reason and believe it to be something else ... hence PM is lying when he gave the reason.

You may not like the connection, but it is what it is ...

A_PoMo · #**117** 10-09-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

I'm not ... just connecting the dots.

It was said the reason he pulled his name was because he felt God told him to.

Others, including you, have openly questioned that reason and believe it to be something else ... hence PM is lying when he gave the reason.

You may not like the connection, but it is what it is ...

Sigh...this is retarded. Look, I'll try to be clear for you. I am not saying that PM is lying. He could be telling the truth. Idk, and neither do you. You choose to believe him. I choose to be neutral on it and not make a judgement either way. If others want to make a judgement either way then that's fine, I'm not doing that other than to say that based on my personal observation of his recent and past politiking as well as what I know from people close to me who have worked closely with him I am not so quick to just automatically accept what he has as gospel truth and assume that his motives for withdrawing weren't political. You may choose to do so, that's cool. But I choose to not be so quick to accept it at face value and not accept it blindly as some seem to do. I choose (based on my experience) to accept it, but with a grain of salt, realizing that there are lots of logical reasons for him to say what he said. I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt, but you're calling me a liar for doing so.

Let me give you an example of how this works in a related scenario. I texted my dad who was in the meeting as it was happening. I asked him why PM withdrew his name. He said that it was because someone had nominated him without his knowledge and once he learned of it he immediately withdrew his nomination because he 'felt a check'. I didn't believe that story to be likely, but did I call my dad a liar or think he was lying? No. I accepted it, but had my doubts. I just figured there was more to the story than that. Turns out I was right. Just because you are respectful and accept someone's explanation but wonder if they're telling the whole truth doesn't mean you are calling them a liar.

StillStanding · #**118** 10-09-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Sigh...this is retarded. Look, I'll try to be clear for you. I am not saying that PM is lying. He could be telling the truth. Idk, and neither do you. You choose to believe him. I choose to be neutral on it and not make a judgement either way. If others want to make a judgement either way then that's fine, I'm not doing that other than to say that based on my personal observation of his recent and past politiking as well as what I know from people close to me who have worked closely with him I am not so quick to just automatically accept what he has as gospel truth and assume that his motives for withdrawing weren't political. You may choose to do so, that's cool. But I choose to not be so quick to accept it at face value and not accept it blindly as some seem to do. I choose (based on my experience) to accept it, but with a grain of salt, realizing that there are lots of logical reasons for him to say what he said. I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt, but you're calling me a liar for doing so.

Let me give you an example of how this works in a related scenario. I texted my dad who was in the meeting as it was happening. I asked him why PM withdrew his name. He said that it was because someone had nominated him without his knowledge and once he learned of it he immediately withdrew his nomination because he didn't want to be GS. I didn't believe that story to be likely, but did I call my dad a liar or think he was lying? No. I accepted it, but had my doubts. I just figured there was more to the story than that. Turns out I was right. Just because you are respectful and accept someone's explanation but wonder if they're telling the truth doesn't mean you think they're a liar.

I don't see anyone calling PM a liar! All I'm saying is that I doubt PM heard an audible voice. I believe he felt what he needed to do in his spirit after some thought and prayer. My problem is that he isn't owning his decision to take his name off the political ballot. He is saying "God told me to do it". Well....nobody better question God!

StillStanding · #**119** 10-09-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BlestAssurance

If we used the Scripture as our baseline instead of comparing ourselves among ourselves, we wouldn't think it took a spiritual elitist to hear from God.

I guess this is a sign of how far some of us have drifted.

It takes a spiritual elitist to say, "God told me....."

I guess this is a sign of how far some of us have drifted into narcissism.

BlestAssurance · #**120** 10-09-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I strongly believe that had someone more lenient been nominated that he wouldn't have stepped down.

So you think it was just a political ploy too?

Or are you saying that God would have let him accept it if a more liberal man had been in the running?

This is unbelievable.