You know how when you first walk into a dark room, you can't see or make your way around and it scares you move around the room, it takes a little while for your eyes to adjust. But after a little time, your eyes adjust and you can see better. Then things are ok, you can move around the room safely, see things a little better, your more comfortable.
This is how we have become, we have adjusted to the dark.
I remember when I was a kid and the pastor would preach about 666 and the end times and how time was running out. It used to send chills down my spine, people who had been walking the fence would be at the alters.
Today? Don't even phase us. All the changes in the world don't matter anymore. We just tell our pastor "Hey, thats just the way things are in todays world". Instead of attempting to turn the light on or leave the room, we have chosen to become adjusted to the dark. We are comfortable here.
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
You know how when you first walk into a dark room, you can't see or make your way around and it scares you move around the room, it takes a little while for your eyes to adjust. But after a little time, your eyes adjust and you can see better. Then things are ok, you can move around the room safely, see things a little better, your more comfortable.
This is how we have become, we have adjusted to the dark.
I remember when I was a kid and the pastor would preach about 666 and the end times and how time was running out. It used to send chills down my spine, people who had been walking the fence would be at the alters.
Today? Don't even phase us. All the changes in the world don't matter anymore. We just tell our pastor "Hey, thats just the way things are in todays world". Instead of attempting to turn the light on or leave the room, we have chosen to become adjusted to the dark. We are comfortable here.
On the civil front:
I believe in the civil liberties of all Americans. I believe that we should have the right to live our lives the way we wish, and believe as we choose, as long as we are not endangering another person's life, liberty, or property.
On the religious front:
I believe that all religious bodies should have the right to express their beliefs and serve their members in accordance to their religious convictions as long as they are not endangering another person's life, liberty, or property.
I'm not "pro-gray" and I have no interest in a "rainbow parade". I'm pro liberty and justice for all.
Some of you might remember me talking about going ahead and giving them their rights to marry because "gay divorce" will reveal that "marriage" isn't the answer to their issues. Well... it's starting:
Ah. I see. Well, we have yet to see how homosexuality is against nature. I have presented evidence to the contrary (homosexuality occurs in nature), but all you did to try to counter it was to say chemicals can induce homosexuality in animals. Though I doubt we can find that that is the only cause, and in all 1500 species it has been observed in.
Further, it seems unnatural to you because, perhaps, you are heterosexual: you are not attracted to the same gender. Homosexuals, on the other hand, are not attracted to the opposite gender, so heterosexuality may seem unnatural to them.
Now, can you explain more precisely why you think allowing same-sex marriage would endanger all of our lives? (It won't cause a nuclear explosion, I'm pretty sure!)
Timmy, I'm kind of surprised at your inaccuracies in this debate. I feel you are heading down the same road as Aquila, running out of options to prove your point. You said, "But all you did to try to counter it was to say chemicals can induce homosexuality in animals."
Here are some of my responses in this Thread:
"The Lawsuits will be piling up. When children grow up in homes where they were adopted by Gay Couples, when they are old enough to ponder what happened to them as a baby, they will be looking for an Attorney. We have enough problems with children going to homes where there are Male and Female Couples.
Remember, I was adopted and know exactly what questions arise when adopted children become adults.
I also believe that the gauge of any Society comes from the Family. If the Family is strong and morally protected, the remainder of the population will reap the reward of stability and direction. What God did in the Beginning, building the Family unit, this precious bond of Man/Wife/Children must remain the top priority of any Civilization.
The same scenario above is what happens to a child who has been molested; the natural securities of Nature are torn down, leaving fear, hate, shame, and confusion as the new foundation of building a Family. Physical and emotional scars are so deep that certain natural abilities are thwarted forever.
Same sex marriage and Homosexuality are the result and byproduct of a World that has been devastated with the ruin of lust and selfishness, and the future will reveal the error of allowing this poor choice of this immoral behavior.
We've been in the Apostolic Church for 33 years. The "Pipe Dream" of healing is a dangerous one. More people have walked away from our Movement because they didn’t receive their “Healing”.
When a father molests a child and sends the photographs to a Porn magazine for publication, certain people never get over this type of abuse. The reason; they are scars, and scars never go away, especially when these pictures still might be in circulation.
When my wife cries, telling me about how her father sexually abused her when she was an infant and until she was 9, along with her 2 brothers, my only response has been to comfort her.
We've been married 31 years and she is still telling me about things that happened to her that I never knew about. The depth of damage in her soul is something I will never understand or reach, and her (complete) healing will come when this life is over."
Timmy, until your counter-response is more accurate, I'm not going to run in circles trying to convince you of anything. My above quotes show exactly what I feel, and they prove that this-- "But all you did to try to counter it was to say chemicals can induce homosexuality in animals."--is not the truth.
Where have you been bro? The family is largely in shambles already. I wouldn't doubt that the break down in the family is partially to blame for all the gender role confusion. Gays aren't a threat to the family, many loving families have gay members. And yes, gay people have families and love them dearly. My uncle is gay and he's a great guy. One of the most honest men I know. However, he does need Jesus. The issue as I see it is that families have lost their foundation.... Jesus. For most Americans, the Christian faith is something practiced at church. Things are so crazy and time is so limited many families opt out of going to church regularly. So... what little "Christianity" they'd get in church isn't there. We need to bring faith and practice back into the homes.
Who put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Adam and Eve's back yard and gave them a choice?
We all make choices in life. This is a free country. I can buy adult entertainment, drink until sun up on the weekends, watch violent movies, read the Satanic bible, join a space alien worshipping cult, live with a woman, live with a man, live by myself, get married, stay single, be Christian, be Buddhist, be Muslim, be Hindu, be an atheist, or whatever else I choose to be or feel led to be. This is freedom. It's ugly sometimes. It's messy. It requires maturity and tolerance. It calls for patience. It calls for introspection. And when I was in the military I thought about all the crazy sinful things in our society that men and women are free to do... and I realized... freedom is holy... even when people choose to do the wrong things. And I realized that freedom is something worth dying for.
We really have a noisey bunch of liberal winers and a noisey bunch of angry conservatives whipping us all up into a frenzy to get our votes. That's all it's about. None of this is real serious persecution.
I vote that government needs to get out of the marriage business altogether and allow churches, families, and private institutions to define marriage for themselves.
Here we go again!! Where have I been? Another assumption, another guess, another false attempt to deflect the truth.
Aquila, where did I say that the Family WASN'T in shambles? And, what has that got to do with 2 men jumping into bed for anal intercourse??
I don't care how loving a Gay couple might be, the lifestyle is an abomination:
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
And, your only response to my point about the Bible leaning to a more Socialistic Society is, "Who put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Adam and Eve's back yard and gave them a choice?"
You see, your argument is weak and you know it is.
Timmy, I'm kind of surprised at your inaccuracies in this debate. I feel you are heading down the same road as Aquila, running out of options to prove your point. You said, "But all you did to try to counter it was to say chemicals can induce homosexuality in animals."
Here are some of my responses in this Thread:
"The Lawsuits will be piling up. When children grow up in homes where they were adopted by Gay Couples, when they are old enough to ponder what happened to them as a baby, they will be looking for an Attorney. We have enough problems with children going to homes where there are Male and Female Couples.
Remember, I was adopted and know exactly what questions arise when adopted children become adults.
I also believe that the gauge of any Society comes from the Family. If the Family is strong and morally protected, the remainder of the population will reap the reward of stability and direction. What God did in the Beginning, building the Family unit, this precious bond of Man/Wife/Children must remain the top priority of any Civilization.
The same scenario above is what happens to a child who has been molested; the natural securities of Nature are torn down, leaving fear, hate, shame, and confusion as the new foundation of building a Family. Physical and emotional scars are so deep that certain natural abilities are thwarted forever.
Same sex marriage and Homosexuality are the result and byproduct of a World that has been devastated with the ruin of lust and selfishness, and the future will reveal the error of allowing this poor choice of this immoral behavior.
We've been in the Apostolic Church for 33 years. The "Pipe Dream" of healing is a dangerous one. More people have walked away from our Movement because they didn’t receive their “Healing”.
When a father molests a child and sends the photographs to a Porn magazine for publication, certain people never get over this type of abuse. The reason; they are scars, and scars never go away, especially when these pictures still might be in circulation.
When my wife cries, telling me about how her father sexually abused her when she was an infant and until she was 9, along with her 2 brothers, my only response has been to comfort her.
We've been married 31 years and she is still telling me about things that happened to her that I never knew about. The depth of damage in her soul is something I will never understand or reach, and her (complete) healing will come when this life is over."
Timmy, until your counter-response is more accurate, I'm not going to run in circles trying to convince you of anything. My above quotes show exactly what I feel, and they prove that this-- "But all you did to try to counter it was to say chemicals can induce homosexuality in animals."--is not the truth.
Sorry, I thought we were talking about homosexuality in nature, and specifically among animals in the wild. And that comment is all I saw from you in reply to that topic.
If you think your other comments apply to whether homosexuality is natural or not, sorry, I didn't make that connection.
Some of your assertions probably have merit. Some are "iffy". But none of them, IMO, add up to "same-sex marriage should be illegal". Not unless you also want to make certain opposite-sex marriages illegal (besides the ones that already are). Force dysfunctional parents to divorce, if you can't predict before a marriage that it would become dysfunctional.
In other words, I don't see a reason to focus on this one "risk factor" (if it is that) and not others. I wonder if inter-racial marriages are more likely to have problems. Or inter-religious, or mixed nationality. Maybe low (or high) IQ in one or both partners is risky. We need more research!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Some of you might remember me talking about going ahead and giving them their rights to marry because "gay divorce" will reveal that "marriage" isn't the answer to their issues. Well... it's starting:
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