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Old 02-02-2016, 01:48 PM
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if you knew what a mess i was, you'd prolly give up!
Nah, I'm pretty stubborn.
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i don't actually expect to break through this resistance, of course; but if you have any new thoughts on the matter, be my guest! well, my reply is that that would be genuine, if you as a believer did not feel judged when i told you that you were lost; but i doubt that that is true.
If you said I was lost because the word said it, I would not consider you a judge. But you'd have to consider yourself one. Which Is why i said you condemned yourself. I didn't.
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Old 02-03-2016, 08:44 AM
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So, it's different when you do it? I don't get it. Why should the Muslim--or let's admit, most Christians, to the OP way of thinking--feel any different than you?
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So, it's different when you do it? I don't get it. Why should the Muslim--or let's admit, most Christians, to the OP way of thinking--feel any different than you?
No, it's not different when I do it, if I do it.

What I said applies to me and anyone.

If anyone says someone is lost solely on the basis that the Word said someone who does a certain thing is lost, and that someone referred to does that certain thing, then the word made the judgment, not the one pointing it out.

A judgment is when no word is provided, and we have to figure out by our own estimation if someone is lost or not.
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Shazeep, if you say I am lost because I distinctly and plainly disobey what the Word says, then you are not the judge, The Word is.
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So whats the advocacy here? can we identify those who are in need of salvation? or is that judgement?
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So whats the advocacy here? can we identify those who are in need of salvation? or is that judgement?
Exactly the point.
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so then, we need to review how you determine if someone is lost or saved again. ok. Go ahead and state your--and they are your--terms. BAM quote them from Scripture, so that you may be justified. It is exactly the point, and you are kidding yourself.
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so then, we need to review how you determine if someone is lost or saved again. ok. Go ahead and state your--and they are your--terms. BAM quote them from Scripture, so that you may be justified. It is exactly the point, and you are kidding yourself.
ok, so without acrimony ive asked a sincere question

are we at such an impasse you wont answer?
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so then, we need to review how you determine if someone is lost or saved again. ok. Go ahead and state your--and they are your--terms. BAM quote them from Scripture, so that you may be justified. It is exactly the point, and you are kidding yourself.
Make it easier shazeep and just toss the bible altogether.

You consistently stumble at the cross. Nuff said.
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