Public school and the Christian parent

[Esaias]

And lest anyone think that Jedi's post, which referenced certain Scriptures, was simply ignored, I will now address each passage he brought up and show how it simply does not lead to the conclusions he came to.

Originally Posted by jediwill83

The early Church dealt with the adding of extra rules and regulations to the Gentiles in Acts 15 when some were trying to require Gentiles to not only be circumcised but to also follow the law of Moses.


It's interesting that the Elders declare that doing so would be tempting God.


From the context and passages we see that the decision reached seemed good not only to the Apostles and Elders but ALSO it specifically says that it seemed good to the HOLY GHOST to not put a yoke upon believers necks that they cannot bear and it even says that doing so is "tempting God"


Their words and apparently God's words since the Holy Ghost was/is in agreement.

The reader will notice that no connection was actually made between Acts 15 and the subject of Christian parents providing a Christian education for their children. Rather, it was implied that pointing out Christian parental responsibility in this arena is equivalent to "putting an unbearable yoke upon believers" and is on the same level as demanding that gentiles be circumcised and become practicing Jews. I'm not sure if the readers actually need to have the absurdity of this implication pointed out, but you never know these days.

Acts 15 specified four things gentiles were to be taught upon conversion. Those were "abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." The implication is that anything more than this is an unbearable Judaizing burdensome yoke. Which if correct would mean that Christians can get drunk, commit adultery, dishonour their parents, bear false witness against their neighbours, and in short do anything and everything EXCEPT these four specific things. Which of course is absurd. And thus, the implied argument is refuted.

Are there any examples of important figures in scripture that were educated in environments foreign and even pagan that were used by God and placed in those positions God?

Samson married a Philistine heathen which was forbidden by the law of God yet it was God's design in order to set the Philistines up for a defeat. Hosea was commanded to marry a whore by God but who would suggest all Christians should follow suit or that it is in any way advisable for Christians to do likewise?

Daniel, 3 Hebrew children,

Daniel and the three Hebrew boys were captive slaves. If a Christian thinks of their children as captive slaves under the power of the heathen destined for castration and re-education, then I guess the example of Daniel might suffice for them? But notice, Daniel's parents and the parents of the three other Hebrews did not willfully and voluntarily and intelligently send their children to Babylon to "get an education". Rather, what was happening was this:

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Deuteronomy 28:25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

Deuteronomy 28:32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.

Deuteronomy 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

Deuteronomy 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

Which is, in a sense, what is happening now. Our children are being taken captive by heathens and are being given to another people. Just look around and see.

Moses

Moses was not sent off to Egyptian public schools for the purpose of getting an education because Moses' mother and father were too uneducated to homeschool or couldn't afford Hebrew private school. Moses was condemned to death as all newborn Hebrew boys were. His mother came up with a plan to save his life. He was raised amongst the Egyptians, and educated in Pharaoh's house. But by who?

Exodus 2:7-9 Then said his sister to Pharaoh's daughter, Shall I go and call to thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee? (8) And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go. And the maid went and called the child's mother. (9) And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it.

From the JFB Commentary:

But the origin of the scheme was most probably owing to a divine suggestion, as its success was due to an overruling Providence, who not only preserved the child’s life, but provided for his being trained in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Hence it is said to have been done by faith (Heb_11:23), either in the general promise of deliverance, or some special revelation made to Amram and Jochebed - and in this view, the pious couple gave a beautiful example of a firm reliance on the word of God, united with an active use of the most suitable means. (emphasis added)

...even Christ was educated by doctors of the law that He later on butted heads with and opposed.

You don't see Mary and Joseph condemned to Hell for allowing Jesus to be educated by Scribes and Pharisees.

There is no Scripture which says Jesus was educated by scribes and Pharisees. Jesus said this:

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

But even if He had been educated by scribes and Pharisees, the scribes and Pharisees sat in Moses' seat, meaning they TAUGHT THE BIBLE. Was their teaching 100% correct? Of course not. But they were not teaching people to worship other gods or to fail to worship Jehovah, they were not teaching kids that all life evolved spontaneously from primordial goo. They were not teaching children you can be whatever gender you want. All their pedagogy presupposed the veracity and authority of the Scriptures and the reality of Almighty God and man's responsibilities towards Him.

You don't see Jocabed burning in Hell for allowing Moses to be educated in the courts of Egypt...by your reasoning she should have ran off somewhere in the wilderness and raised him away from ANY Egyptian influence.

Moses was hid from the police and the abortion vans "by faith" (Hebrews 11:23). He also knew he was a Hebrew, and chose to side with his people against the king, rejected his adoption by the king's daughter, and later would go on to command Hebrews to raise their children in the fear of God with a Bible based education (Deuteronomy 6:7, Deuteronomy 11:9, etc). If your choice is to surrender your child to the state to be publicly executed for merely being born vs sending them to a public school while making sure you get yourself a job at the school as your child's teacher so you could hammer it into his or her head every single day that their situation is an extraordinary emergency situation meant to save their life so ignore everything that is taught in the school and instead get your real education at home with Mom and Dad, then you MIGHT have a parallel.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Here's a wondrous idea:

Instead of engaging Esaias with mere disagreement, emotional kneejerks, or unqualified assertions, attempt to take all that he has posted from the Holy Scriptures and show him, from those very passages, how and why his understanding is wrong.

Imagine if you reasoned with him on that level (since that is the level with which he generated this thread) it might actually get somewhere edifying.

OHHHH go play in traffic!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Every guy should learn a trade, even if that's not what they plan on doing. Something to fall back on if needed.

I completely agree. When I got into computers, the computer technical support field was booming and jobs were plentiful. I was able to get my MCSA and other certs and launch into the field. But, you know how it went. The bubble burst and the bottom fell out of the market. And it became flooded with cheap foreign technical firms. I certainly wish I had learned a real hands on trade. But no one ever really talked about it when I was younger. Everything was "go to college", "get a degree and get certified". If I knew then what I know now, I would have gotten into electrician, plumber, or something like pipefitter. I'd definitely have something to fall back on, and I could make extra cash rather easily when necessary.

I truly wish my son (he's twelve) could be convinced to go that rout. I've seen too many kids rack up debt on college loans and not even graduate. Or, by the time they do graduate opportunity isn't what it was in the field when they started school. Four years (and many times it takes longer) is a long time to be in school unless you're going for something in the medical field or something like an engineer (my son loves robotic engineering and plans on that path). My step daughter, I've even recommended trades for her. She's really into art (she's pretty good) and has looked into graphic design. But in all honesty, she's still in that "dreamy" phase wherein she thinks she can make a living by drawing cartoon characters. I don't mind, but I know her odds aren't very good unless she can land a 1 in a million dream job with Disney. But she's a also a girl. She could choose to just marry and be a homemaker if she chooses to.

But I'm in full agreement with you. Everyone should learn a trade.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Here's a wondrous idea:

Instead of engaging Esaias with mere disagreement, emotional kneejerks, or unqualified assertions, attempt to take all that he has posted from the Holy Scriptures and show him, from those very passages, how and why his understanding is wrong.

Imagine if you reasoned with him on that level (since that is the level with which he generated this thread) it might actually get somewhere edifying.

But Votive, that takes work....

[houston]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

OHHHH go play in traffic!

Watch your mouth

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If someone would like to demonstrate from the Scriptures that Christians are NOT required to ensure their children receive a Christian Bible-based education, I'd be thrilled to discuss it.

If someone would like to demonstrate from the Scriptures that Christians are not guilty of sin by willfully turning their children over to a godless antichristian indoctrinating institution, I'd love to discuss that as well.

If someone would like to demonstrate from the Scriptures that unrepented sin doesn't lead to the lake of fire, I'd like to see that, too.

But so far, the objectors have simply expressed their personal opinions with no Scriptural backing whatsoever. Which is to be expected from unbelievers and atheists, but Christians? I thought Christians were supposed to be "people of the Book"?

I firmly believe that children must be educated in the ways of the LORD. The Bible states:

Deuteronomy 6:6-9
And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

Proverbs 1:8-9
Hear, my son, your father’s instruction, and forsake not your mother’s teaching, for they are a graceful garland for your head and pendants for your neck.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.

Ephesians 6:4
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

So, we fully agree on the duty of educating a child in the ways of the LORD. However, where we differ is, I believe that these things are primarily the ways of the LORD. And... it is the PARENT'S responsibility. Sunday Schools are great. Christian schools and colleges are great. But in all honesty, the moral responsibility of training a child in the ways of Christian truth, spirituality, and practice is strictly upon the parent. It isn't on a Sunday School. It isn't on a staff of a Christian school or college. It is on the parent.

Now, a parent should teach their children the ways of the LORD through daily admonishment, offerings of insight, explaining life lessons, and even home Bible studies with the family wherein kids can ask questions and parents explain Scripture and the heart of God.

But this doesn't mean that a Christian child can't be educated in reading, writing, and arithmetic in a secular school that is focused strictly upon the academics and doesn't provide religious instruction. Nor does it mean that a young Christian cannot attend a trade school or college that doesn't provide religious instruction. The primary responsibility of religious instruction is upon the parents. A strong fellowship of other Christians (a church) also helps. But the responsibility is on the parents.

All too often I've seen parents bemoan their child's lack of morals or sloppy ethics and blame those "public schools", or that "secular university". But when I inquire as to how often they had family altar, how often they had home Bible study with their kids, how often they read Bible stories together, how often they pulled their child aside in a situation to illustrate a life lesson, their eyes glaze over and they say something like, "Well, we made sure that they went to Sunday school."

Parents are failing to be the primary source (and EXAMPLE) in their children's religious instruction. They are pawning the responsibility off on Sunday School teachers, youth group leaders, youth pastors, and bickering about an alcoholic math teacher who is going through a divorce and trying to pay his bills on a rather low salary... and they don't teach their kids, answer the hard questions, share their insight, or even set a fitting example half the time.

This is where it gets better... homeschoolers to the rescue. I've come to love and be inspired by parents who homeschool. These dedicated parents not only give their children religious instruction, but they also teach their children the basics without sending their child to a school or relying on the church staff to teach their kids. The homeschooling parents deserve a medal. They deserve high honors. I certainly wish we had gone that route. But at the time, it would have been extremely difficult. And I know some criticize homeschooling. And yes, it can be an abysmal failure. But not because homeschooling itself is inherently flawed... but because some parents don't have the skills or ability to do it right. So again, that falls on the parents.

Now, I know that many lazy parents out there would love to see the public schools turned into "Christian school systems". They want to shovel their kids off to school and have some "Christian government" to do all the work... even the religious training... which is THEIR PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Parents need to revive the old practice of family altar. They need to have home Bible studies with their kids and allow their kids to ask questions. They need to use life lessons as case studies. They need to teach, model, and provide opportunity to pray, and I don't mean just muttering grace over a meal. I mean setting aside 30 to 40 minutes (at least once or twice a week) to turn everything off and pray as a family. If we could get Christian parents to do these things... we'd see some surprising changes in our families and communities.

Having been involved in house churching, I've learned that home grown, organic, Christian living works. We don't need to condemn parents for not sending their kids to schools that provide religious instruction. We need to remind parents of their DUTIES and RESPONSIBILTIES on the home front...regardless as to where they send their kids to school. Because they could send their kids to the most Christian school in the world... but if there is no religious instruction in the home... the kids will drift. Or, you can have active parents that model Christian living, have family altar and family Bible study, who send their kids to the most secular school in their region... and their kids be in love with the LORD.

It is entirely in the hands of... the parents.

So, we agree that a parent's duty is to have religious/spiritual instruction provided to their children. Where we disagree is in how that instruction is provided. You're saying it is a parent's duty to send their kids to a Christian school or to provide a Christian education. But it goes deeper than that. It is a parent's duty to provide all religious/spiritual instruction to their children. It isn't even the responsibility of Christian educators to do so.

And more specifically... it is primarily a "father's" job, not the mother's.

Ephesians 6:4
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

The beauty of this is that Christian parents are to do this. That means it doesn't matter what kind of educational system is prevalent in a given culture. They might live in a country without any educational system at all. Still the parent's duty. They might live in a country wherein secular education is the law. But the religious instruction is still the parent's duty. They might send their child to the most Christian school in the nation. But religious instruction is still the parent's duty.

That's my issue with your premise. The only parents in danger of losing their souls are those parents who fail to provide religious instruction to their children by pawning it off on some strangers at a Christian school... or worse yet... neglect it altogether.


P.S.

Caps are not intended to be screaming. They are only for emphasis.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I firmly believe that children must be educated in the ways of the LORD. The Bible states:

Deuteronomy 6:6-9
And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

Proverbs 1:8-9
Hear, my son, your father’s instruction, and forsake not your mother’s teaching, for they are a graceful garland for your head and pendants for your neck.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.

Ephesians 6:4
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

So, we fully agree on the duty of educating a child in the ways of the LORD. However, where we differ is, I believe that these things are primarily the ways of the LORD. And... it is the PARENT'S responsibility. Sunday Schools are great. Christian schools and colleges are great. But in all honesty, the moral responsibility of training a child in the ways of Christian truth, spirituality, and practice is strictly upon the parent. It isn't on a Sunday School. It isn't on a staff of a Christian school or college. It is on the parent.

Now, a parent should teach their children the ways of the LORD through daily admonishment, offerings of insight, explaining life lessons, and even home Bible studies with the family wherein kids can ask questions and parents explain Scripture and the heart of God.

But this doesn't mean that a Christian child can't be educated in reading, writing, and arithmetic in a secular school that is focused strictly upon the academics and doesn't provide religious instruction. Nor does it mean that a young Christian cannot attend a trade school or college that doesn't provide religious instruction. The primary responsibility of religious instruction is upon the parents. A strong fellowship of other Christians (a church) also helps. But the responsibility is on the parents.

All too often I've seen parents bemoan their child's lack of morals or sloppy ethics and blame those "public schools", or that "secular university". But when I inquire as to how often they had family altar, how often they had home Bible study with their kids, how often they read Bible stories together, how often they pulled their child aside in a situation to illustrate a life lesson, their eyes glaze over and they say something like, "Well, we made sure that they went to Sunday school."

Parents are failing to be the primary source (and EXAMPLE) in their children's religious instruction. They are pawning the responsibility off on Sunday School teachers, youth group leaders, youth pastors, and bickering about an alcoholic math teacher who is going through a divorce and trying to pay his bills on a rather low salary... and they don't teach their kids, answer the hard questions, share their insight, or even set a fitting example half the time.

This is where it gets better... homeschoolers to the rescue. I've come to love and be inspired by parents who homeschool. These dedicated parents not only give their children religious instruction, but they also teach their children the basics without sending their child to a school or relying on the church staff to teach their kids. The homeschooling parents deserve a medal. They deserve high honors. I certainly wish we had gone that route. But at the time, it would have been extremely difficult. And I know some criticize homeschooling. And yes, it can be an abysmal failure. But not because homeschooling itself is inherently flawed... but because some parents don't have the skills or ability to do it right. So again, that falls on the parents.

Now, I know that many lazy parents out there would love to see the public schools turned into "Christian school systems". They want to shovel their kids off to school and have some "Christian government" to do all the work... even the religious training... which is THEIR PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Parents need to revive the old practice of family altar. They need to have home Bible studies with their kids and allow their kids to ask questions. They need to use life lessons as case studies. They need to teach, model, and provide opportunity to pray, and I don't mean just muttering grace over a meal. I mean setting aside 30 to 40 minutes (at least once or twice a week) to turn everything off and pray as a family. If we could get Christian parents to do these things... we'd see some surprising changes in our families and communities.

Having been involved in house churching, I've learned that home grown, organic, Christian living works. We don't need to condemn parents for not sending their kids to schools that provide religious instruction. We need to remind parents of their DUTIES and RESPONSIBILTIES on the home front...regardless as to where they send their kids to school. Because they could send their kids to the most Christian school in the world... but if there is no religious instruction in the home... the kids will drift. Or, you can have active parents that model Christian living, have family altar and family Bible study, who send their kids to the most secular school in their region... and their kids be in love with the LORD.

It is entirely in the hands of... the parents.

So, we agree that a parent's duty is to have religious/spiritual instruction provided to their children. Where we disagree is in how that instruction is provided. You're saying it is a parent's duty to send their kids to a Christian school or to provide a Christian education. But it goes deeper than that. It is a parent's duty to provide all religious/spiritual instruction to their children. It isn't even the responsibility of Christian educators to do so.

And more specifically... it is primarily a "father's" job, not the mother's.

Ephesians 6:4
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

The beauty of this is that Christian parents are to do this. That means it doesn't matter what kind of educational system is prevalent in a given culture. They might live in a country without any educational system at all. Still the parent's duty. They might live in a country wherein secular education is the law. But the religious instruction is still the parent's duty. They might send their child to the most Christian school in the nation. But religious instruction is still the parent's duty.

That's my issue with your premise. The only parents in danger of losing their souls are those parents who fail to provide religious instruction to their children by pawning it off on some strangers at a Christian school... or worse yet... neglect it altogether.


P.S.

Caps are not intended to be screaming. They are only for emphasis.

This pretty much sums up my stance as well....just don't have all the free time nowadays to type all that..

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If someone would like to demonstrate from the Scriptures that Christians are NOT required to ensure their children receive a Christian Bible-based education, I'd be thrilled to discuss it.
If someone would like to demonstrate from the Scriptures that Christians are not guilty of sin by willfully turning their children over to a godless antichristian indoctrinating institution, I'd love to discuss that as well.
If someone would like to demonstrate from the Scriptures that unrepented sin doesn't lead to the lake of fire, I'd like to see that, too.
But so far, the objectors have simply expressed their personal opinions with no Scriptural backing whatsoever. Which is to be expected from unbelievers and atheists, but Christians? I thought Christians were supposed to be "people of the Book"?

I repeat for scriptural discernment one must consider a text's context to avoid creating a pretext. There are no scriptures that extend into secular curriculum giving parent’s guidance on which educational institution they should attend. As a matter of fact the word education is not in the scriptures. Using your made up construct of Christian Bible-based education is your new vernacular. Another construct; godless antichristian indoctrinating institution, cannot be found in scriptures. Institution cannot be found in scriptures. You cannot make up new terminology and apply it to scriptures. You cannot take your new vernacular terminology and condemn saints to hell. That practice is found in Judaism as a Takkanah. School is only used once in Acts 19:9. Where the Greek word for school is: Strong’s G4981: scholḗ, freedom from labour. You’re manipulating scriptures which are intended towards parents to teach their children the way of the Lord. Your pretext is that this command extends to public schools and higher learning institutions. Your pretext is incorrect because nowhere; I mean nowhere, does scriptures identify schools outside the home or church. The scriptures convey to teach you children in your home. Specifically the ways of righteousness of the truth in the Lord. Not Math, English, History or other areas of study. The burden of proof is on you to prove that this command to teach your children righteousness extends into secular educational subjects that are provided for in the public sector. Almost everyone here has agreed that it’s the parents responsibly to teach their children the truth of God in their homes. Since you and Votivesoul need scriptures, scriptures shall ye receive.

Deuteronomy 6:7 (KJV) And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Deuteronomy 11:19 (KJV) And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Extending the command to teach your children the Lord’s precepts into secular curriculum is the same as minister’s arguing on men’s sleeve length. Some will say it is acceptable to wear short sleeves; while others say the sleeve must extend to the elbow, and lastly those who say to your wrist. In the New Testament the churches the taught in their houses. The focus on their teaching was God in Christ, the Gospel, evangelizing and bearing the fruit of the spirit in our lives. Scripture have always been specific to teaching the ways of the Lord. This corresponds to what we found in the Old testament.

Romans 16:5 (KJV) Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

1Corinthians 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

Colossians 4:15 (KJV) Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.

Philemon 1:2 (KJV) And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:

1Timothy 3:12 (KJV) Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

Consider the language of the New covenant in Jeremiah. We are promised that our Heavenly Father will be a Father to all. He will teach us his ways. The scriptures are clear that we are to teach our children the ways of the Lord. Once we have met that responsibility the child is responsible for their own walk. A child will not be held responsible for the fathers’ sin nor will the father be held responsible for his children choices.

Jeremiah 31: In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. 30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and wit the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The scriptures are explicit that children should obey their parents. This solely puts the responsibility for the parent to guide their children in the ways of righteousness. What you are doing is broadening that scope into all educational subjects which is why your pretext is incorrect.

Ephesians 6:1 (KJV) Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

Colossians 3:20 (KJV) Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord

Lastly, it is the parent’s responsibility to get their children to obey the Gospel. Once they are born again we have the promise from our Father that he will lead and guide them. He will never leave them nor forsake them, and I put my trust in his word. It is my responsibility to live a Godly life before my children and setting the right example. But I have complete confidence that if given that instruction that the Lord will lead my children by the Holyghost.

Isaiah 54:13 (KJV) And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

Luke 12:12 (KJV For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

John 14:26 (KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Selah

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I truly wish my son (he's twelve) could be convinced to go that rout.

It's easy. Tell him he needs to learn a practical, moneymaking trade in addition to whatever field he is drawn to. BTW, robotics may very well be a trade by the time he's in his 20s.

"Son, when you are 16, get a part time job working as an apprentice to a skilled craftsman. That way when you're ready to go to college or technical school to learn robotics you'll have convinced me to help pay for it."

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

What you are doing is broadening that scope into all educational subjects which is why your pretext is incorrect.

The text says children are be given paidea, and it is be "of the Lord". ALL Christians have ALWAYS affirmed, throughout history, that the paidea (education) of children is to be Christian, with a Christian philosophy of education. That is, until they got sold on the atheistic, humanist program of "free public school". And up until the mid 20th century, American public schools largely followed a Christian philosophy of education. Although the seeds of humanist tares had been sown amongst the wheat of Christian pedagogy, it wasn't until the 60s that the concealed hand of Soviet inspired and Talmudic directed humanistic goals was revealed, and God was officially and legally expunged from the public school system. It took another 20 some odd years before the edicts trickled down to rural Southern schools, the last exhibits of an older Christian and traditional pedagogy.

Parents are accountable for their children's education ("upbringing"). Attempting to dice life into seperable compartments, with "religion and morals" on one side and "secular subjects" on the other is the methodology of the destroyers of civilization. ALL education is moral, and religious. The question is whose morals and whose religion?

Secular education isn't religiously or theologically neutral. In English class students don't just learn raw grammar rules, they study literature and written models, which are selected for ideological content. In Math class students solve word problems that are written to advance ideology. Look at Ray's Arithmetic (19th century) vs modern "new math" textbooks and it is obvious.

History and science are blatant examples of ideological indoctrination into the religion of humanism.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, the public school philosophy by law proceeds on the assumption that Christianity is a superstitious lie.

Therefore, the public school system as it currently operates does not fit the requirements laid down by Scripture.