Aquila, not a single person here knows what any of the others are dealing with for all that we claim to be friends. We only know what we tell the others here and attempt to believe that everyone is in fact being honest about their claims.
The reason that I said that is this. I have seen the stats for this forum. There is a strong possibility that there is at least 3 people here who are struggling with homosexuality if the statistics are correct.
It is my strong contention that a person who struggles with homosexuality is no more a member of the homosexual lifestyle so long as they are not participating in it. I refuse to cave to the PC crowd that tells me that as a Christian I must submit to whatever anyone wants to call themselves. That is why we have 'gay Pentecostal' churches.
The fact is if it calls itself 'gay' it is not Christian. This is an argument that has been sown by liberal 'Christians' and their ear tickling theologians to dilute the truth of the Scriptures concerning sin. Even if their is a a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, we are not enslaved to our genetic material. God gave man self-control, and when filled with the Holy Ghost there is no excuse or argument to be made for a pseudo-homosexual agenda.
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According to the statics that I have read in the past, there are estimates that as many as 1-5% of the population is gay. I figure that those figures may be a little high. However the numbers from the AFF front page, toward the bottom of the page, has those numbers. If the secular stats are anywhere near to the truth, there are no fewer than 10 active members dealing with homosexuality.
I said that I do not believe the statistics. I fear that the stats may be even higher than reported because of the very heavy promotion of that lifestyle, even with some 'Christian artists' now coming out as gay.
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I can accept that Christians can and do struggle with sinfulness (I will admit that I do at times myself) but to give a special title to those saved from a homosexual lifestyle, because they have an occasional sinful temptation is wrong, and in fact, adds to the problem.
What do you think about having a Gay Christians support group at your church Ferd?
Honestly Im not trying to advocate for the concept. Just reading these things some are saying.
for some (not everyone opposed to the term Gay Christian here) if you get saved, all the sudden, 100% of the time you arent gay anymore.
But the truth is, we all know that isnt true. Most pastors will tell you that when a gay person comes to the Lord, they struggle. Most times they struggle more than others.
Some here seem to want to suggest that poof its gone is how this happens. that there is no such thing as a "gay christian".
Well there is no such thing as a person living in sin and being a christian. that is certain.
But there certainly is such a thing as a christian that deals with sin AFTER salvation. its called every single one of us.
Newsflash for everyone. There are christans out there, that struggle with homosexual sin. They dont want to. instead of acting like they dont exist, we aer better off talking about how we can help them.
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Honestly Im not trying to advocate for the concept. Just reading these things some are saying.
for some (not everyone opposed to the term Gay Christian here) if you get saved, all the sudden, 100% of the time you arent gay anymore.
But the truth is, we all know that isnt true. Most pastors will tell you that when a gay person comes to the Lord, they struggle. Most times they struggle more than others.
Some here seem to want to suggest that poof its gone is how this happens. that there is no such thing as a "gay christian".
Well there is no such thing as a person living in sin and being a christian. that is certain.
But there certainly is such a thing as a christian that deals with sin AFTER salvation. its called every single one of us.
Newsflash for everyone. There are christans out there, that struggle with homosexual sin. They dont want to. instead of acting like they dont exist, we aer better off talking about how we can help them.
Totally can agree with this.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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Just like I do not like the terms Latin American, African American, Native American etc etc etc, I prefer just American. Likewise I prefer just Christian.
Just like I do not like the terms Latin American, African American, Native American etc etc etc, I prefer just American. Likewise I prefer just Christian.
OK, maybe "Christian, with issues".
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I personally have a problem with a homosexual calling themselves "gay;" my grandmother is "gay," and she is not a homosexual, and I wonder if this thread might become clearer if we referred to them as "Homosexual Christians" for clarity?
And please, you're a homosexual who is celibate because you believe in God, but you still feel the label is appropriate? What is wrong with this picture? At the end of the day, you can call yourself whatever you want, though, I guess.
Well... I'm so glad you give them permission to call themselves what they choose.
Do you realize that we have to get beyond our fears and preconceived notions on the terms "gay" and "homosexual" before any REAL dialogue can transpire?
And that is why I advocate bearing the label- and only that label- of the one in whose image we are becoming conformed: Christian.
Dude, I understand what you advocate. But don't you realize that rather you or I advocate that, many "gay Christians" WANT to be recognized as what they are? Why? Because the church has historically put such a stygma on them. They want to be able to say, "Hey, I'm gay and I'm a devout Christian too."
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