End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The verses in Corinthians aren't even about women preaching. Paul goes on to say in Galations that there is no male or female in Christ--that we are all one. Cultural elements must be brought into the picture when considering these scriptures. The verse in Tim. Is talking about the home....

Sigh...No Sis. Alvear - I Timothy 2:11-3:15 is NOT talking about the "home" & we have utterly & thoroughly demonstrated this from the exegesis of the text over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over - & OVER.



You simply refuse to accept the biblical data as it stands because it militates against your wants.....Honestly, it is sad to watch & has caused myself & others to lose respect .

[Sister Alvear]

Next we will examine 1 Timothy 2:12, in which Paul states "I do not suffer (permit) a woman to teach, or usurp authority over a man." In interpreting this verse, it is important to remember that the Greek words for "man" and "husband," as well as the words for "woman" and "wife," are the same. In the very next verse, Paul refers back to Adam being formed first, then Eve. From all indications, this passage is, by context, referring to the marriage relationship, not the church. Paul is not saying that men cannot learn from women. Rather, he is simply stating that women are not to be manipulative or domineering over their husbands. There is a big difference.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Next we will examine 1 Timothy 2:12, in which Paul states "I do not suffer (permit) a woman to teach, or usurp authority over a man." In interpreting this verse, it is important to remember that the Greek words for "man" and "husband," as well as the words for "woman" and "wife," are the same. In the very next verse, Paul refers back to Adam being formed first, then Eve. From all indications, this passage is, by context, referring to the marriage relationship, not the church. Paul is not saying that men cannot learn from women. Rather, he is simply stating that women are not to be manipulative or domineering over their husbands. There is a big difference.

So only single women can preach because a married women had to be in silence while learning with all subjection. This married woman had to be in silence in the home, when 1 Cor 14 tells her this is the one place to ask her husband if she had a question at church.

[Sister Alvear]

New International Version
What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.

New Living Translation
Well, my brothers and sisters, let's summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you.

English Standard Version
What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.

New American Standard Bible
What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

King James Bible
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
What then is the conclusion, brothers? Whenever you come together, each one has a psalm, a teaching, a revelation, another language, or an interpretation. All things must be done for edification.

International Standard Version
What, then, does this mean, brothers? When you gather, everyone has a psalm, teaching, revelation, foreign language, or interpretation. Everything must be done for upbuilding.

NET Bible
What should you do then, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each one has a song, has a lesson, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all these things be done for the strengthening of the church.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I say therefore, my brethren, that whenever you gather, whoever among you has a Psalm, let him speak, or whoever has a teaching, or whoever has a revelation, or whoever has a language, or whoever has a translation, let all things be done for edification.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
So what does this mean, brothers and sisters? When you gather, each person has a psalm, doctrine, revelation, another language, or an interpretation. Everything must be done to help each other grow.

Jubilee Bible 2000
How is it then, brothers? when ye come together, each one of you has a psalm, has doctrine, has tongues, has revelation, has interpretation. Let all things be done unto edification.

King James 2000 Bible
How is it then, brethren? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

American King James Version
How is it then, brothers? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to edifying.

American Standard Version
What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each one hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Douay-Rheims Bible
How is it then, brethren ? When you come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation: let all things be done to edification.

Darby Bible Translation
What is it then, brethren? whenever ye come together, each [of you] has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to edification.

English Revised Version
What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each one hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Webster's Bible Translation
How is it then, brethren? when ye are assembled, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a language, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done to edification.

Weymouth New Testament
What then, brethren? Whenever you assemble, there is not one of you who is not ready either with a song of praise, a sermon, a revelation, a 'tongue,' or an interpretation. Let everything be done with a view to the building up of faith and character.

World English Bible
What is it then, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has another language, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to build each other up.

Young's Literal Translation
What then is it, brethren? whenever ye may come together, each of you hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation? let all things be for building up




Strange it did not say everyone has a hymn but only men can teach....the Bible says everyone....Sister Mary Williams was probably one of the best teachers in Pentecost in her day...we studied from her books at school....

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Strange it did not say everyone has a hymn but only men can teach....the Bible says everyone....Sister Mary Williams was probably one of the best teachers in Pentecost in her day...we studied from her books at school....

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Co 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

I am sorry verses 34-35 does exactly what you say it does not, of course 1 Tim 2:12 further amplifies Paul's position.

Did you notice the red above? Where it is possible for one to be in silence and yet be permitted to speak? However, when it came to a woman speaking (preaching) she was not permitted, however since it is possible to be in silence and yet speak, she could prophesy, have a psalm, have a revelation, she could not however teach a man, 1 Tim.2:12

[KeptByTheWord]

1 Cor. 14:34 "speak" according to the NET Bible:

λαλεο(2980)
Pronunciation: lal-eh'-o
Origin: a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb
Reference: TDNT - 4:69,505
Part of Speech: v
In Greek: ελαλει 20, ελαλησα 8, ελαλησαμεν 1, ελαλησαν 11, ελαλησατε 1, ελαλησεν 30, ελαληθη 2, ελαλουμεν 1, ελαλουν 6, λαλει 20, λαλειν 21, λαλεισθαι 1, λαλειτε 4, λαλειτω 1, λαλειτωσαν 1, λαλεις 4, λαλει 1, λαλη 1, λαλησαι 21, λαλησαντες 2, λαλησας 2, λαλησει 4, λαληση 2, λαλησητε 3, λαλησομεν 1, λαλησουσιν 2, λαλησω 5, λαληθεισης 1, λαληθεις 1, λαληθεντος 1, λαληθεντων 1, λαληθηναι 2, λαληθησεται 4, λαληθησομενων 1, λαλουμεν 10, λαλουμενη 1, λαλουμενοις 3, λαλουμενον 2, λαλουν 2, λαλουντα 1, λαλουντας 1, λαλουντες 7, λαλουντι 2, λαλουντος 18, λαλουντων 5, λαλουσαι 1, λαλουσαν 1, λαλουσης 1, λαλουσιν 2, λαλω 19, λαλων 16, λαλωσιν 1, λελαληκα 11, λελαληκεν 2, λελαλημενοις 1, λελαληται 1, ελαλησεν 1
In NET: to speak 27, spoke 26, speaking 24, speaks 10, speak 9, said 9, he spoke 7, I have told 6, I speak 6, we speak 5, had spoken 5, began to speak 5, have spoken 5, was speaking 4, While was speaking 4, will be told 4, spoken 4, to say 3, was saying 3, I will speak 3, I have said 3, I have spoken 3, say 3, he speaks 2, he was speaking 2, communicate 2, speaker 2, does speak 2, I spoke 2, they speak 2, I am speaking 2, has spoken 2, while was speaking 2, has told 2, I am saying 2, we are speaking 2, was said 2, is speaking 2, had been told 2, will speak 2, he is speaking 2, are you speaking 1, had said 1, as was speaking 1, do they speak 1, from speaking 1, had finished saying 1, from uttering 1, declared 1, communicated 1, Speak 1, I do say 1, I do speak 1, I said 1, I say 1, I am talking 1, He will speak 1, Am I saying 1, He did speak 1, He told 1, He was speaking 1, I should speak 1, I talked 1, While was still speaking 1, While were saying 1, While were speaking 1, am telling 1, While was saying 1, When said 1, Let him speak 1, had told 1, We are speaking 1, are proclaiming 1, he promised 1, that speaks 1, they began to speak 1, they said 1, they spoke 1, teaching 1, talking 1, would have spoken 1, speeches 1, would be spoken 1, spoke out 1, they will speak 1, to declare 1, we said 1, we will speak 1, when had spoken 1, who speaks 1, we may proclaim 1, we do speak 1, told 1, was spoken 1, we declare 1, you are speaking 1, you have whispered 1, you speak 1, he tells 1, he told 1, he was saying 1, he says 1, he preached 1, he could speak 1, he did speak 1, he is talking 1, he made 1, he will speak 1, insisted 1, you should say 1, saying 1, should speak 1, sounded 1, proclaim 1, lies 1, is being said 1, it could speak 1, it says 1, have been told 1
Count: 296
Definition: 1) to utter a voice or emit a sound 2) to speak 2a) to use the tongue or the faculty of speech 2b) to utter articulate sounds 3) to talk 4) to utter, tell 5) to use words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts 5a) to speak
a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, i.e. utter words:-preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare 3004. see GREEK for 3004

Only 1 time is this word translated as "preach". Thus your second mantra scripture against a woman preaching is FALSE.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

1 Cor. 14:34 "speak" according to the NET Bible:

λαλεο(2980)
Pronunciation: lal-eh'-o
Origin: a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb
Reference: TDNT - 4:69,505
Part of Speech: v
In Greek: ελαλει 20, ελαλησα 8, ελαλησαμεν 1, ελαλησαν 11, ελαλησατε 1, ελαλησεν 30, ελαληθη 2, ελαλουμεν 1, ελαλουν 6, λαλει 20, λαλειν 21, λαλεισθαι 1, λαλειτε 4, λαλειτω 1, λαλειτωσαν 1, λαλεις 4, λαλει 1, λαλη 1, λαλησαι 21, λαλησαντες 2, λαλησας 2, λαλησει 4, λαληση 2, λαλησητε 3, λαλησομεν 1, λαλησουσιν 2, λαλησω 5, λαληθεισης 1, λαληθεις 1, λαληθεντος 1, λαληθεντων 1, λαληθηναι 2, λαληθησεται 4, λαληθησομενων 1, λαλουμεν 10, λαλουμενη 1, λαλουμενοις 3, λαλουμενον 2, λαλουν 2, λαλουντα 1, λαλουντας 1, λαλουντες 7, λαλουντι 2, λαλουντος 18, λαλουντων 5, λαλουσαι 1, λαλουσαν 1, λαλουσης 1, λαλουσιν 2, λαλω 19, λαλων 16, λαλωσιν 1, λελαληκα 11, λελαληκεν 2, λελαλημενοις 1, λελαληται 1, ελαλησεν 1
In NET: to speak 27, spoke 26, speaking 24, speaks 10, speak 9, said 9, he spoke 7, I have told 6, I speak 6, we speak 5, had spoken 5, began to speak 5, have spoken 5, was speaking 4, While was speaking 4, will be told 4, spoken 4, to say 3, was saying 3, I will speak 3, I have said 3, I have spoken 3, say 3, he speaks 2, he was speaking 2, communicate 2, speaker 2, does speak 2, I spoke 2, they speak 2, I am speaking 2, has spoken 2, while was speaking 2, has told 2, I am saying 2, we are speaking 2, was said 2, is speaking 2, had been told 2, will speak 2, he is speaking 2, are you speaking 1, had said 1, as was speaking 1, do they speak 1, from speaking 1, had finished saying 1, from uttering 1, declared 1, communicated 1, Speak 1, I do say 1, I do speak 1, I said 1, I say 1, I am talking 1, He will speak 1, Am I saying 1, He did speak 1, He told 1, He was speaking 1, I should speak 1, I talked 1, While was still speaking 1, While were saying 1, While were speaking 1, am telling 1, While was saying 1, When said 1, Let him speak 1, had told 1, We are speaking 1, are proclaiming 1, he promised 1, that speaks 1, they began to speak 1, they said 1, they spoke 1, teaching 1, talking 1, would have spoken 1, speeches 1, would be spoken 1, spoke out 1, they will speak 1, to declare 1, we said 1, we will speak 1, when had spoken 1, who speaks 1, we may proclaim 1, we do speak 1, told 1, was spoken 1, we declare 1, you are speaking 1, you have whispered 1, you speak 1, he tells 1, he told 1, he was saying 1, he says 1, he preached 1, he could speak 1, he did speak 1, he is talking 1, he made 1, he will speak 1, insisted 1, you should say 1, saying 1, should speak 1, sounded 1, proclaim 1, lies 1, is being said 1, it could speak 1, it says 1, have been told 1
Count: 296
Definition: 1) to utter a voice or emit a sound 2) to speak 2a) to use the tongue or the faculty of speech 2b) to utter articulate sounds 3) to talk 4) to utter, tell 5) to use words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts 5a) to speak
a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, i.e. utter words:-preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare 3004. see GREEK for 3004

Only 1 time is this word translated as "preach". Thus your second mantra scripture against a woman preaching is FALSE.

LOL - Watch that "selectivity" now! You appeal to the KJV elsewhere - now drop it like a hot-potato here !



Combining the KJV & NASB (I'll check the other translations later) this equals 7 different places where the verb is translated "preach" - Not to even re-mention Strong's, the professors, etc. Yes, the verb equally means "PREACH" - Just like we 'be been telling you all along - & you just gave us another witness !






Good work !

[Sister Alvear]

If a woman could not teach then we would be in a fix for many Bible translators have been women and many study books were written by women...many songs we rewritten by women...

[Sister Alvear]

In no way am I promoting women that try to act like men however many Godly women have been used to speak God's words. Sister Agnes Holmes is a living example for our day along with Sister Bobby Wendell...

[Sister Alvear]

I am called to be a missionary...