If you want to be a friend to your pastor

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

I think that you've got it exactly backward and that Bullwinkle is taking a swipe at "whining saints."

If so, I am willing to stand corrected.

[Bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

This is good, but it was obviously written by a liberal pastor!

A few changes are needed for the conservative pastors!

2A. Since we are the ones who hear from God, only pastors can use the "God told us" thing.

6. We have interests outside of church and the bible, but we don't want to talk about these interests with you. We have other pastor friends that we share these interests with. Our conversation should focus on church and the bible instead of worldly things.

8. Always show us your spiritual front so we don't think that you're worldly and backslid.

16. If you REALLY want to be our friend, do everything that we ask or preach. Your attempt at an explanation is not wanted and is a sign of rebellion.

17. Do not attempt to start a home group to study the bible on your own! You are gullible sheep, so if you want to know what the bible says about any subject, come to me!

Bro
Usually I can agree with you but this post must have been before you had your coffee.

2A - If I had a dime for every time someone says "God said". Usually it's the most whacked out person in the group.

6. You've been in the wrong circles.

8. Would be happy if you would just show some spiritual activity.

16. If you want to be a pastors friend - try being a friend of God. I don't want to hang out with spiritual doofuses on my own time.

17. Partially true statement - read Cho, Dr. Paul Yonggi.

[Bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by Amos

Sherri,

His introductory comment was this:



This was a sarcastic post taking a swipe at "whining preachers." You know, the same old drill.

So by agreeing, I guess you get labeled as a whiner.

Just trying to be a blessing.

This would be true if:
a. the post hadn't been by someone who doesn't even attend a pentecostal church.
b. I wasn't a preacher.

Time to change your lens!

[Bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

I think that you've got it exactly backward and that Bullwinkle is taking a swipe at "whining saints."

[Bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by Amos

If so, I am willing to stand corrected.

You are now officially corrected.

[Bullwinkle]

By the way - the first post is taken from a blog by Craig Groeschel - lifechurch.tv - campus coming to a theatre near you soon.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Bullwinkle

Bro
Usually I can agree with you but this post must have been before you had your coffee.

2A - If I had a dime for every time someone says "God said". Usually it's the most whacked out person in the group.

6. You've been in the wrong circles.

8. Would be happy if you would just show some spiritual activity.

16. If you want to be a pastors friend - try being a friend of God. I don't want to hang out with spiritual doofuses on my own time.

17. Partially true statement - read Cho, Dr. Paul Yonggi.

Bro, My post was a sorry attempt at humor! I should have put a smiley or two in it. That being said, I have seen EXTREME cases where my statements would be true.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Bullwinkle

Came across this and thought about some fine whine I read last night.

If you want to become friends with your pastor, here are some suggestions:
1. Don’t be pushy. Pushy people come across as needy. We minister to needy people all day. We crave friendships not more counseling appointments.
2. Don’t tell us “God told you” we’re going to be friends. He may have, but that doesn’t work on us. Tons of people have told us that before. Friendship for us needs to happen over time, not be born because of something God told you but not us.
3. Coming to a stranger’s house for dinner isn’t the high point of our lives. (You know a lot about us. We don’t know as much about you.) We work a lot of nights. Our kids are busy. Finding a babysitter is hard. Bringing our kids to your house often puts stress on us. A night at home is often more meaningful than a dinner at your house. (Some pastors will disagree with me and be very blessed by these dinners. Most aren’t.)
4. My wife doesn’t want to send our kids to your house just because you want to baby sit them. You are probably an incredible person, but we don’t know about your neighbors or your kids’ friends or your uncle that might come by. There are too many weird people for us to send our kids to your house without knowing more.
5. We are grateful for “gift cards.” Many pastors don’t have the financial margin to take their families out. Gift cards mean a lot.
6. We love talking to you about things besides church and the Bible. We have other interests like you.
7. We love your notes of appreciation. They mean more than you know. You have a way of sending them when we really need them. Thank you!
8. We love talking to the real you. Many people show us a spiritual front. Truthfully, we’d rather see your dark side than a fake spiritual one. Thank you for being yourself!
9. We are slow to open up. It is not because of you. We’ve been hurt many times by people who say the same things you are saying to us. Give us time.
10. If we can’t be close to you, it doesn’t mean we don’t truly love you. We only have room for a handful of very close friends. We simply don’t have the time or energy to be close to tons of people. Please don’t take it personally.
11. Please don’t try to use our kids to get to us. We love our kids and don’t want anyone to use them. Our kids also can’t go to every kid’s birthday party from the church.
12. If we ever say “no” to you, please understand that it is very hard for us. We want to serve you. We want to minister to you. We want you to like us. Sometimes, we simply can’t do everything. We hope you understand.
13. More than anything, we want to represent Christ to you. When we let you down (and we will), we pray you will show us grace.
14. We want you to know that we value your prayers more than you will ever know.
15. When you do become our close friend, you are an answer to prayer and a gift from God!

After being a saint and follower for 43 years.

Saints like notes, emails and a pat on the back one in a while.

The kingdom of God is not centered around your revleation and everyword that proceeds out of the mouth of the first family.

Money does talk but that creates friendship of need.

It is not always about being friends it just about being real and genuine.

Remember we have our career's, family, children and ups and downs.

So if we miss a service.

You did not offend us, we are not church shopping...

We are living our lives....

It just a fun experience once you and the pastor and the first family and saints find respect...

I have that now and it is a great thing.

To my pastor and his wife.

Jeff and Tami Butler... THanks for being real and just great folks.....

We love you....

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by Bullwinkle

Came across this and thought about some fine whine I read last night.

If you want to become friends with your pastor, here are some suggestions:
1. Don’t be pushy. Pushy people come across as needy. We minister to needy people all day. We crave friendships not more counseling appointments.
2. Don’t tell us “God told you” we’re going to be friends. He may have, but that doesn’t work on us. Tons of people have told us that before. Friendship for us needs to happen over time, not be born because of something God told you but not us.
3. Coming to a stranger’s house for dinner isn’t the high point of our lives. (You know a lot about us. We don’t know as much about you.) We work a lot of nights. Our kids are busy. Finding a babysitter is hard. Bringing our kids to your house often puts stress on us. A night at home is often more meaningful than a dinner at your house. (Some pastors will disagree with me and be very blessed by these dinners. Most aren’t.)
4. My wife doesn’t want to send our kids to your house just because you want to baby sit them. You are probably an incredible person, but we don’t know about your neighbors or your kids’ friends or your uncle that might come by. There are too many weird people for us to send our kids to your house without knowing more.
5. We are grateful for “gift cards.” Many pastors don’t have the financial margin to take their families out. Gift cards mean a lot.
6. We love talking to you about things besides church and the Bible. We have other interests like you.
7. We love your notes of appreciation. They mean more than you know. You have a way of sending them when we really need them. Thank you!
8. We love talking to the real you. Many people show us a spiritual front. Truthfully, we’d rather see your dark side than a fake spiritual one. Thank you for being yourself!
9. We are slow to open up. It is not because of you. We’ve been hurt many times by people who say the same things you are saying to us. Give us time.
10. If we can’t be close to you, it doesn’t mean we don’t truly love you. We only have room for a handful of very close friends. We simply don’t have the time or energy to be close to tons of people. Please don’t take it personally.
11. Please don’t try to use our kids to get to us. We love our kids and don’t want anyone to use them. Our kids also can’t go to every kid’s birthday party from the church.
12. If we ever say “no” to you, please understand that it is very hard for us. We want to serve you. We want to minister to you. We want you to like us. Sometimes, we simply can’t do everything. We hope you understand.
13. More than anything, we want to represent Christ to you. When we let you down (and we will), we pray you will show us grace.
14. We want you to know that we value your prayers more than you will ever know.
15. When you do become our close friend, you are an answer to prayer and a gift from God!

Good thoughts.

I will add that the very moment that a pastor moves outside of the Word my allegiance ends. There was a time when I would have been more accomodating, but no more.

Also, pastors must be approachable. Ministry should not hide behind a fortress of assistants. Sheep need to be around the shepherd.

[seguidordejesus]

great thread