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Old 03-23-2010, 10:03 PM
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Tidy and convenient. There are numerous instances in the Bible of God changing his mind based on human behavior. Why would such a thing be necessary if He knew the decisions beforehand?
God knew before He created them that Adam & Eve would sin, but He still created them and gave them a free will choice.

God still gives people the opportunity to choose even though He knows how they will choose, He can then reward them when they choose right, but part of the motivation for people to choose right is for them to know what God might do if they don't make the right choice.
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Re: Omniscient God, or free will?

Does God exist outside of "time", as some say? Does He see it all -- all four dimensions (thinking of time as the fourth) -- at once, so to speak? Did He create it all?

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Does God exist outside of "time", as some say? Does He see it all -- all four dimensions (thinking of time as the fourth) -- at once, so to speak? Did He create it all?

actually it is believed that 10 dimensions exist.
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I can't speak for Jason.

Would you explain this a little more clearly, please? I would say God bases his choices upon his foreknowledge of our choices.

Have you heard of middle knowledge?
Have you heard of God sitting on His hands and doing nothing while the elect are lost?

The "gun on the table" analogy is pretty clear if you didn't read past it. "God" is responsible for leaving a loaded gun on the table while children were playing in the room. Accepting responsibility for that action, He "intervenes" and returns to the room to spare the lives of his children.
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I would add to " He chooses to create the world in which all circumstances and choices bring the most glory to His name" that not only does God create the world which brings the most glory to his name but also saves the most people possible.
... while admitting to his failure as a parent?

I think that accepting the unresolved paradox of free will and determinism at face value brings the most glory to God. The approach allows God to be God and demands that I place faith in that God and His abilities as my own "parent" or "guardian."

It's hard to see how "the most glory" is given to God by the manner in which He has chosen to allow the wasp Glyptapanteles to breed. Perhaps this is an example of where He "failed" to intervene because none of His children were involved? Still, it's a pretty hard way to treat the caterpillar.

I just don't see Him "choosing" or "calling every shot" in this game. He only seems to get interested when His children are in peril; and then He pulls out all of the stops (see Calvary).

Just my humble opinion again.
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actually it is believed that 10 dimensions exist.
Well, yeah, but, I'm just sayin'. (And I've heard as many as 12. Those other dimensions are just weird, though. Tiny. Super tiny. Ultrananomicrotiny. To get a handle on what that means, think of a two-dimensional universe, like a huge sheet of paper. And actually, that sheet of paper is three-dimensional! The weird, mysterious "third" dimension is really tiny.)
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actually it is believed that 10 dimensions exist.
The original 5 plus the newer reprise act when Marilyn McCoo and Billy Davis Jr. got the band back together?

But more seriously, "10 dimensions work for fermions and 26 dimensions work for bosons."

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The original 5 plus the newer reprise act when Marilyn McCoo and Billy Davis Jr. got the band back together?

But more seriously, "10 dimensions work for fermions and 26 dimensions work for bosons."
26?!?!? That's just crazy!
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26?!?!? That's just crazy!
Do the math.

t u = t × t s with t 2 = 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyakov_action
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Do the math.

t u = t × t s with t 2 = 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyakov_action

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