Are all Catholics lost?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Sure there is. You misunderstand me, yet again. I just hope you see what I mean now and not speak as if I never said this.

until you make a statement that can be understood on the matter, i'm not sure why i should deviate here.

It's just going in circles of confusion now. Like you said, this needs a break.

[shazeep]

Whom do you ask for forgiveness?

Now here is an example.

WHAT?! In what context are you asking this?

Shazeep, your communication is lacking.

yes, or, you just ignored the Q in situ for whatever reason, or never saw it and so now have no clue where to look, or whatever. I provided no context because none is needed, imo; when you sin, whom do you ask for forgiveness?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

So, if a catholic came to his end while adhering to the belief all non-catholics are lost, are they lost?

i have no idea, and beyond forgiving them it is not for me to judge.

Now you are contradicting yourself.

You said formerly:

However, a poll of Catholics asking if "All other Christians are lost" would likely reveal a roughly 50/50 split among them also, the point being that there is no doubt at least one Catholic who does not hold that view, hence all Catholics may not be lost.

To say at least one catholic might not be lost after having said a poll would reveal that some catholics do not believe "all non-catholics are lost," is to imply you think those who believe "all catholics are lost" are lost themselves.

So, you just backpeddled badly right here.

[shazeep]

But you use lawyer demeaningly since Jesus did

wow, Jesus did that, too? Awesome!

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Whom do you ask for forgiveness?

Now here is an example.

WHAT?! In what context are you asking this?

Shazeep, your communication is lacking.

yes, or, you just ignored the Q in situ for whatever reason, or never saw it and so now have no clue where to look, or whatever. I provided no context because none is needed, imo; when you sin, whom do you ask for forgiveness?

I ask forgiveness of the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, indicating my reliance on the work of the cross for my opportunity for forgiveness. And If I sinned against a person for which I am asking God forgiveness, I also ask the person for my forgiveness.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

But you use lawyer demeaningly since Jesus did

wow, Jesus did that, too? Awesome!

See? You did it again! lol

You think the word is okay no matter the definition!

[shazeep]

To say at least one catholic might not be lost after having said a poll would reveal that some catholics do not believe "all non-catholics are lost," is to imply you think those who believe "all catholics are lost" are lost themselves.

So, you just backpeddled badly right here.

well, you left out the part of the quote that admits that that would not be the standard God might use to condemn them, Mike.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

See? You did it again! lol

You think the word is okay no matter the definition!

um, so you admit that you have always understood where i was coming from, yet wish to get into a semantics discussion over the word "lawyer?" What is the point?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It's just going in circles of confusion now. Like you said, this needs a break.

actually that was another opportunity to make a concise statement on what you believe, but don't sweat it, buddy. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

um, so you admit that you have always understood where i was coming from, yet wish to get into a semantics discussion over the word "lawyer?" What is the point?

I did not always know what you meant. But I soon realized somethiing was off and then you finally explained what you meant. Also, word carry baggage and readers will get the wrong idea.