Hell is Unexplainable? - Page 3

vrblackwell · #21 05-30-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Bingo!

I posted a link that has plenty of scripture. There is as much scripture, if not more for annihilationism as there is for eternal torment.

acerrak · #22 05-30-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vrblackwell

I posted a link that has plenty of scripture. There is as much scripture, if not more for annihilationism as there is for eternal torment.

what link? where?

vrblackwell · #23 05-30-2011, 07:51 PM

http://ekklesiahellweek.wordpress.co...-by-greg-boyd/

NotforSale · #24 05-30-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by faithit166

notforsale i cannot believe you said this,where is the love ,

Sometimes love is calling those out who are ready to stone the adulterous woman. To be honest, I'm tired of preachers pounding the pulpit to live holy when they themselves are living in sin. I see people at the other end of firing such demands to "Live Right or else", and mercy is being thrown to the wind by those who are blind to their own condition. Preachers and Saints alike in our Faith claim God's special favor because we are Holy, yet they have lost the dignity to take care of their bodies.

I'll go so far as to say, a man has no business telling another man to stop smoking if he himself is obese. Obesity is the number one health epidemic in this Country, and the Church is looking the other way while people are dying because they can’t push the plate away.

Apostolics, and this includes me, have hidden behind the false robe of being better than others because we have the "Truth", and this has led to great fallacy in our Religion. It's time to admit, we are no better than anyone. I believe UT is under God’s love and compassion, even in his current health condition, but don’t beat the drum of living right, which makes you look better than others.

NotforSale · #25 05-30-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional

NFS, I decided to edit my post. No way should I ever go down to your level. I know I am a big man, but I am no where as big as I once was. I acknowledged my sin and have lost a considerable amount of weight. I openly confessed my sin, and do so again. But, NFS, I will speak the truth, which seems to be very controversial, but so be it.

I guess what I said some time back is following truth. There is a lack of true repentance among some Christianity today. Instead, they prefer silent killing, where people are not told of their sin, their absolutely false doctrine, and their abominations before God, and just declare His love and not His justice, holiness, or truth.

So, NFS, I repent of what I originally wrote, and if you read it, I apologize. But, i will not stay silent.

UT, I spoke the Truth to you regarding something many are afraid to talk about. You can try to smooth over your sin or lack of ability in the area of diet and exercise, but you must see that Holiness and Truth include taking care of yourself if you are going to use Scripture to point out flaws. The Bible is very clear on gluttony, and the Scripture says that if a man is given to appetite, he should put a knife to his throat.

To be honest, I don't believe your weight problem is a Salvation issue, unless you choose to adhere to the strict standard of radical Religion. I've been in this Movement for 33 years, and hard preaching about "Living Right" has confused many because we lose sight of our own weaknesses. That’s the problem; we become blind and are ready to stone the weak when they fail or lose sight of God in their life, refusing to look in the mirror to see ourselves.

The only thing I ask from you and other people, who have a problem in this area, is to be considerate of others who might struggle with something completely different, which includes understanding of the Bible. Human failure will always be in our midst, and we must accept that some people will fight with certain sins until they die. Even people who don’t “Live Right” according to our idea deserve our love and patience. People need mercy, and in the end, more than anything, that will be what we all need.

crakjak · #26 05-30-2011, 10:14 PM

The usual suspects, rant that no scripture was used in the OP on this thread!!!

The quote was, yes, someone's opinion, but not one has addressed the actual discussion. Why is that???? The reason is simply that you all really know that ED is completely bankrupt of the character and nature of a reasonable human, much less the response of the Almighty!!

vrblackwell · #27 05-30-2011, 10:48 PM

To create beings having the foreknowledge that you will have to torture them for eternity to me seems to be a more wicked deed then any deed done by man.

I have trouble believing that this would be done by a merciful God that I serve. I'm thankful that He has given me scripture to know that this is not the case.

mfblume · #28 05-30-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vrblackwell

I posted a link that has plenty of scripture. There is as much scripture, if not more for annihilationism as there is for eternal torment.

I was referring to prax's post as to how UR runs on emotive bases rather than scripture. Why did you feel it dealt with annihilationism?

PS: that is one eerie avatar of yours. Phew.

Michael The Disciple · #29 05-31-2011, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by vrblackwell

To create beings having the foreknowledge that you will have to torture them for eternity to me seems to be a more wicked deed then any deed done by man.

I have trouble believing that this would be done by a merciful God that I serve. I'm thankful that He has given me scripture to know that this is not the case.

Amen Bro. After 16 years of believing in eternal torment the Lord opened the eyes of my understanding the first time I did a study on annihilation.

The scriptures set forth by Greg Boyd should be sufficient a one wanting truth.

Wow! I never thought I would hear myself agreeing with Greg Boyd on anything! Good for him.

GISG · #30 05-31-2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Amen Bro. After 16 years of believing in eternal torment the Lord opened the eyes of my understanding the first time I did a study on annihilation.

The scriptures set forth by Greg Boyd should be sufficient a one wanting truth.

Wow! I never thought I would hear myself agreeing with Greg Boyd on anything! Good for him.

I don't know what "annihilation" is, other then it's meaning of complete destruction.

So, are you saying you don't believe in an eternal hell where those who are not written in the Book of Life will spend eternity?