Are all Catholics lost?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

ADMINISTRAION:

In the waters that are the gospel that saves and the doctrine of the
Lord Jesus, why are you allowing a goat to muddy the waters?

Jesus is Lord.

Seriously? You call this mudding the waters? Reminds me of a conversation I just had this week with a very close friend. He told me when he was young and his mom would take him to Sunday school, the teacher would tell a story in which he would ask a question, that the teacher could not answer. So he would be put by himself as so not to interrupt the class.

Here we have someone that is asking questions, with more respect than a few others that have been on this forum, in times past. And because he views things so far from your point of view you want him shut up.

Gottcha, if you can't convert them shut them up.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Seriously? You call this mudding the waters? Reminds me of a conversation I just had this week with a very close friend. He told me when he was young and his mom would take him to Sunday school, the teacher would tell a story in which he would ask a question, that the teacher could not answer. So he would be put by himself as so not to interrupt the class.
Here we have someone that is asking questions, with more respect than a few others that have been on this forum, in times past. And because he views things so far from your point of view you want him shut up.
Gottcha, if you can't convert them shut them up.

Yes, I call that muddying the waters.

DENYING the gospel that saves and proffering up another gospel is what
the Apostle Paul said of them that "...would pervert the gospel...". You
may call it acceptable: but that's you. Calling them that would pervert
the gospel that saves muddying the waters: that's me. I can just say,
"muddy the waters", or call them outright liars: it is the same. Or what
is a liar: but he that has rejected truth and embraced another (but false)
gospel? And with the rejection of the gospel that saves comes embracing
false doctrine.

"Judge righteous judgment."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

no, and you have been given multiple opportunities to witness what you know, and have demonstrated that you do not, either, just like everyone else here.

You still haven't explained away the strait gate and the narrow road. You just come here to win a fight based on your honey dripping doctrine of buy the world a coke and keep it company. Muslims are lost. Every single one of them. But what is worst than that you want it to be so, because you refuse to stop them on their journey to destruction. All Catholics are lost as a potato, but again you want it that way because through your enabling doctrine of the Nicest Jesus you can be, you allow them to bust hell wide. So, good luck with your psychobabble.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

funny you say that, because i have spent half my life around them, have witnessed the fruit, and claim ignorance, while those who bray "they are lost" seem to be functioning on innuendo, with all due respect. So maybe i know enough, not knowing.

Witness their fruit? Wow, you really lost your mind. Dude, my father was a full blown atheist, and he had nothing nice to say about God. But he loved his children, and his children loved him. Fruit? Nice people? Jesus never said be nice and you will inherit eternal life. Win a popularity contest and you will have eternal life? Have everyone think you are the best human being and you will gain eternal life. Love your neighbor as yourself isn't the rocketship to heaven. You have done bumped your head.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, i have been witness to quite a bit of this using Scripture for personal gain here, against others. Seems Christ is taken literally enough when it suits

Did you take psych in school? Because you sure do a tremendous amount of pyschological projection. But, to be fair there is quite a bit of that going around on forums. But, anyway, seeing your behavior in your opponents isn't something new. Just to let you know.

Oh and by the way, that was free.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

and yet when you are asked to give a description of the food you tried, you fall silent, and when i try, no one wants to listen. ok.

What? The food I tried? Must of missed that. Anyway, you are correct, no one wants to listen to you. Because you are silly and obnoxiously boring.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

says the guy who assures others of their salvation based upon some words they have said, most likely in fear, and insists that anyone who does not agree with his words is lost, even going so far as to reject Christ's Word on the matter out of hand.

May I make a suggestion that you read through your post before posting? Based on words that they said? What words? Halleluyah? Praise the Lord? Excuse me, but where's the tithe box? Out of fear? What are they afraid of? They would be afraid of a teaching that allows nice Muslims and Catholics to enter into heaven when Jesus and Paul stated something totally different. They would look at you and your Height Asbury Christian Hippy love in and say "where's the exit?"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

I avoid the political section, if that is any comfort
lots of evangelists end up in politics anyway, i guess

You avoid the political section?

When did this happen?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

He told me when he was young and his mom would take him to Sunday school, the teacher would tell a story in which he would ask a question, that the teacher could not answer. So he would be put by himself as so not to interrupt the class.

Wow, that was me!

[shazeep]

ya, me too...

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Yes, I call that muddying the waters.

DENYING the gospel that saves and proffering up another gospel is what
the Apostle Paul said of them that "...would pervert the gospel...". You
may call it acceptable: but that's you. Calling them that would pervert
the gospel that saves muddying the waters: that's me. I can just say,
"muddy the waters", or call them outright liars: it is the same. Or what
is a liar: but he that has rejected truth and embraced another (but false)
gospel? And with the rejection of the gospel that saves comes embracing
false doctrine.

"Judge righteous judgment."

the problem i think you are going to have there is that i am calling people back to their 'first love' who have come to believe that others whom they have not met can be judged righteously, and that faith needs no supplement unto salvation, as close as you need to get to a cross is to stretch your hand out a little, whenever you are afraid.

i have had the privilege of learning under OP pastors who do not hold these views, also, so it is what it is. If you think you can make a case against me then do so, BAM, but i am only reiterating what Scripture makes plain; that men will devise systems for salvation that deceive, and end up cursing those following Christ in defense of those systems.

To love your neighbor as you love yourself is a very narrow path, and is hardly the feel-fest many here are trying to make it. We generally first fall into codependency, and adopt a model of salvation that supports this because it allows one to retain their ego under the cover of false assurance, "you have to do it my way because i verified it, and it is the only way," forgetting that they were spoon-fed the whole doctrine, in direct contravention to Paul, while surrendering their authority to something other, anything, be it pastor, police, or president, reducing their responsibility to recruiting others with the same fears, and pointing out the imperfections of those who refuse.

So if you can punch any holes in that then consider this an invitation.
And if innuendo is all you got, well that is your right, too, i guess