Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[onefaith2]

Shouldn't it only matter what God thinks?

[Truthseeker]

You still didn't address salvation comes by obedience verses faith alone.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

You still didn't address salvation comes by obedience verses faith alone.

Ha Ha I guess I did'nt did I,

Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

taking the passage in context the obedience is what we do when we are saved, I could copy verse after verse that we are save by faith but I am sure you know them as well as anyone else.

Here is the thing those of us that believe we are saved by faith do not
believe we can live anyway we want to. But what we do believe at least what I believe is that my salvation is in full affect when when I believe in the work of the cross in Jesus Name.

As James tells us one that truely believes will manifest the works of righteousness or our faith is vain. The differance is I don't have to trust to works to make sure I am save. I can trust in the grace of God and rest in assurance of my salvation.

Those on the other hand feel they must fulfill various works ie baptism, holiness standards, tithing church attendance etc to be and stay saved. Those things, those of us that believe in faith still obey.

The only other thing is the definition of what those works are. There lies the real question.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Ha Ha I guess I did'nt did I,

Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

taking the passage in context the obedience is what we do when we are saved, I could copy verse after verse that we are save by faith but I am sure you know them as well as anyone else.

Here is the thing those of us that believe we are saved by faith do not
believe we can live anyway we want to. But what we do believe at least what I believe is that my salvation is in full affect when when I believe in the work of the cross in Jesus Name.

As James tells us one that truely believes will manifest the works of righteousness or our faith is vain. The differance is I don't have to trust to works to make sure I am save. I can trust in the grace of God and rest in assurance of my salvation.

Those on the other hand feel they must fulfill various works ie baptism, holiness standards, tithing church attendance etc to be and stay saved. Those things, those of us that believe in faith still obey.

The only other thing is the definition of what those works are. There lies the real question.

Works of righteousness and being baptized into the death of our lord are two different things. To believe biblically is to confess to God and be baptized based on that confession. Without true belief, true faith, there is no true salvation.

[Jeffrey]

Never seen anyone illogically use logical jargon so frequently LOL

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Never seen anyone illogically use logical jargon so frequently LOL

Then you should read over your posts sometime! Let me go put on my "modest apparel" of shorts & a tank top !!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Then you should read over your posts sometime! Let me go put on my "modest apparel" of shorts & a tank top !!

Who says that's immodest? You????? What do you base that modesty on?

What does "modest" mean? You sure you want to go down this road?

[Truthseeker]

I think it boils down the the word "not" and if it's literal or not.

For example:

1 Cor 1:17

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect
KJV


Would it have been wrong for Paul to baptize sinec God sent him not to baptize??

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I think it boils down the the word "not" and if it's literal or not.

For example:

1 Cor 1:17

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect
KJV


Would it have been wrong for Paul to baptize sinec God sent him not to baptize??

Great point.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I think it boils down the the word "not" and if it's literal or not.

For example:

1 Cor 1:17

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect
KJV


Would it have been wrong for Paul to baptize sinec God sent him not to baptize??

Actually if Paul was an apostle, Christ did send him to baptize

Matthew 28:19
Mark 16:16

Paul is referring to the disunity among them concerning WHO baptized them, not that baptism was not important to Paul.. on the contrary it was

Acts 19:1-7

However to use this argument against NOT meaning do not in the scripture does not apply because there is no where Jesus told his disciples TO wear jewelry.