Oh, Hoovie...gotta love your post. I'm with you on it 110%.
As for kclee4jc, it appears to me your whole walk with God is based on "Many are called, but few are chosen" from a UPCI-only standpoint, doctrine, standards, and the whole kit and kaboodle. Where's the humbleness in your walk? I'm asking that because you tout your horn like many of those who are spiritually fat or arrogant.
Are you one of those who wears a starched 3-piece suit because your pastor says so? Not go to the movies, because your pastor says not to do so? Not listen to non-Christian music, because your pastor says not to do so? Not go to extra-curricular school functions, because your pastor says not to do so? What else? So many "no, can'ts, don't do's, etc." And don't tell me the whole spill of "Well, it's not that I don't/can't'won't, it's because I get to go to church, or I get to live for God." I've heard that; you're not the only one who "gets to do" those things.
Sure, I respect my pastor. But, I also know he's wise enough to know what's Biblical vs extra-Biblical. Are you one of those white-collar, whites-only bretheren whose church only caters to the religious elite and would exclude a homeless person, smelly person, poor person, black, hispanic, or asian person...or, better yet, a worldly person? After all, we all come from the world...we were all born into sin, regardless of where we're from, what we look like/don't look like, smell like, etc. So, I'd say it's high time you put away the talley marking board for "who has and doesn't have" compared to you, my friend, and start listening to what God has to say far above and beyond what a man might tell you...
I'm not trying to disrespect you or belittle your convictions, but what I see in the words you've typed here is a common sight, not just on here but in church too...
Oh, Hoovie...gotta love your post. I'm with you on it 110%.
As for kclee4jc, it appears to me your whole walk with God is based on "Many are called, but few are chosen" from a UPCI-only standpoint, doctrine, standards, and the whole kit and kaboodle. Where's the humbleness in your walk? I'm asking that because you tout your horn like many of those who are spiritually fat or arrogant.
Are you one of those who wears a starched 3-piece suit because your pastor says so? Not go to the movies, because your pastor says not to do so? Not listen to non-Christian music, because your pastor says not to do so? Not go to extra-curricular school functions, because your pastor says not to do so? What else? So many "no, can'ts, don't do's, etc." And don't tell me the whole spill of "Well, it's not that I don't/can't'won't, it's because I get to go to church, or I get to live for God." I've heard that; you're not the only one who "gets to do" those things.
Sure, I respect my pastor. But, I also know he's wise enough to know what's Biblical vs extra-Biblical. Are you one of those white-collar, whites-only bretheren whose church only caters to the religious elite and would exclude a homeless person, smelly person, poor person, black, hispanic, or asian person...or, better yet, a worldly person? After all, we all come from the world...we were all born into sin, regardless of where we're from, what we look like/don't look like, smell like, etc. So, I'd say it's high time you put away the talley marking board for "who has and doesn't have" compared to you, my friend, and start listening to what God has to say far above and beyond what a man might tell you...
I'm not trying to disrespect you or belittle your convictions, but what I see in the words you've typed here is a common sight, not just on here but in church too...
mmm...i think you've read me wrong. Quite a bit actually..
mmm...i think you've read me wrong. Quite a bit actually..
I'm not UPC by the way
Okay, I stand corrected. My apologies. And, while it may appear I was on a vocal rant, I really wasn't. But, thoughts were coming rather quickly. So, again, my apologies if I offended you.
I have friends who fall in line with your thinking. I don't have a problem with them or their thoughts, and it certainly doesn't catch my spirit negatively, perhaps because they don't speak of their convictions. They live them. And that's what matters. I live what I've been convicted of, and so do they. At the end of the day, was God pleased with what you, they, or I did, said, or how we all lived?
About not having to have someone to dress you. My pastor sets some guidelines for what is modest. He doesn't tell me or anyone else what to wear.
so if your pastor only sets a guideline for you to follow to be modest, if you do not follow his guideline and follow one that you believe is given to you by God will you be allowed to continue in any leadership capacity or would you be considered rebellious and unsaved??
Yes, you would be rebellious at that point, if you choose to continue to serve under that Pastor.
If one really believed that they received a "direction" under the influence of the Holy Spirit and that "direction" is not in unity with your fellowship, then the honorable thing to do would be to find the fellowship that walks in the light of the "direction" God has given you and join them, if you intend to live as you personally feel lead by God and it's different from a major tenet and clear teaching of your current Pastor.
However, you know of my recent actions, so this is where I am coming from.
Regardless, God is not the author of confusion.
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It really depends on what one means when he "sets some guidelines". I would not give weighty consideration to the personal preferences of others in the body. Not that you go out of the way to offend, just know that personal preferences are very diverse, and guidelines aren't meant to be mandatory rules to be in the body of Christ.
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Or maybe you're lookin to rial up one of those hard nose conservatives then talk about how legalistic and uneducated he is? Maybe you'd like to show everyone how those Ultra Cons are mean and hateful and focus so much on the outside that they are a cesspool of bitterness on the inside? Maybe you're looking for oppurtunity to accuse the brethren? If that's the case (and i sincerely hope it isn't) then the answer is no, that isn't holiness of heart.
Do you work at a paint factory? Or maybe you are on crack? Or Maybe...or maybe...or maybe You you you. Gee I can make up all kinds of wicked stuff you might be into..how pathetic
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Do you work at a paint factory? Or maybe you are on crack? Or Maybe...or maybe...or maybe You you you. Gee I can make up all kinds of wicked stuff you might be into..how pathetic
I think i should have either avoided this thread altogether or Worded my first post a bit more carefully
I know my original post is not really Hoovie's character (although it may be of many on this forum). I apologize to all i may have offended.
Okay, I stand corrected. My apologies. And, while it may appear I was on a vocal rant, I really wasn't. But, thoughts were coming rather quickly. So, again, my apologies if I offended you.
I have friends who fall in line with your thinking. I don't have a problem with them or their thoughts, and it certainly doesn't catch my spirit negatively, perhaps because they don't speak of their convictions. They live them. And that's what matters. I live what I've been convicted of, and so do they. At the end of the day, was God pleased with what you, they, or I did, said, or how we all lived?
Now, let's carry on...
No offense taken.
Just to point out, I go to a culturally diverse church with a range of poverty level saints to 'mid class' saints. We seek out the hurting and the broken and that is usually who God gives us. I have seen God take someone who in your carnal mind you wouldnt even want to be around, and make them into a beautiful saint of God. We are a growing revival church that emphasises relationship with God, prayer, and fasting. We have our issues and have to fight through tremendous spiritual resistance, but God is good to our assembly and continues to add souls.
if an apostolic does not follow the holy ghost as he leads said apostolic out of legalism, does the apostolic share the same eternal fate as the trinitarian that refused to be re-baptized in the name after receiving the "revelation" to do so?
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