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n david · #31 10-24-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

That's as crazy as folks claiming that the deaf and dumb can speak in tongues.

Apples and oranges.

kclee4jc · #32 10-24-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

You don't control your tongue. When you speak in tongues, you're not in control of your tongue.

Saying you can "think in tongues" is absurd, to be blunt. There is no example in the Bible of someone "thinking in tongues." You can pray in your mind, but you cannot "think in tongues." People who claim to "think in tongues" should check themselves into a mental institution.
Renee apparently didn't understand what I posted, because she completely missed the point by going on and on about something else entirely.

that was uncalled for. People have off the wall ideas because of lack of teaching in certain areas. You have had them. I have had them. We have all had them. It would bring me much embarassment to tell you of things I convinced myself I had experienced because of a sincere yet uneducated desire to experience "something".
Thank God for HIS mercy AND correction.

kclee4jc · #33 10-24-2013, 10:43 AM

Deaf and mute people dont think in tongues upon receiving the Holy Ghost. They SPEAK in tongues just like everyone else.

n david · #34 10-24-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

that was uncalled for. People have off the wall ideas because of lack of teaching in certain areas. You have had them. I have had them. We have all had them. It would bring me much embarassment to tell you of things I convinced myself I had experienced because of a sincere yet uneducated desire to experience "something".
Thank God for HIS mercy AND correction.

I apologize for the offense. A person claiming to "think in tongues" is not in control of their mind, if true. The Holy Ghost is by the Spirit's utterance and not by our will or power. If a person is claiming to "think in tongues" they've (in essence) lost their mind and should check themselves into a mental institution.

n david · #35 10-24-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Deaf and mute people dont think in tongues upon receiving the Holy Ghost. They SPEAK in tongues just like everyone else.

I agree.

renee819 · #36 10-24-2013, 01:40 PM

N David wrote,

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You don't control your tongue. When you speak in tongues, you're not in control of your tongue.

Saying you can "think in tongues" is absurd, to be blunt. There is no example in the Bible of someone "thinking in tongues." You can pray in your mind, but you cannot "think in tongues." People who claim to "think in tongues" should check themselves into a mental institution.

Renee apparently didn't understand what I posted, because she completely missed the point by going on and on about something else entirely.

NO, I am not missing the point. I said that you can control whether you speak in tongues or not.

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Speaking in tongues is the complete opposite, you don't have control, rather the spirit speaks through you.

Of course, the Spirit speaks thru you, but you have control of, if you speak or if you want to remain quiet. But you are the one missing the point. You don't speak with your mouth, or you can speak, when the tongues is in your head.

And I did not go on and on about other things. Since you said that “you don't have control.” I went on to say, 'that is one of the problems in the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches. They have been taught that they don't have control. Leading to wild services.

David, I know that you for some reason, don't like me. You don't know me. But it seems to me that every serious Post that I write, you try to disprove what I say. But to say that there is something wrong with me mentally, and I belong in a mental hospital, is not just rude, it is hateful and shows your spirit. And yes, it offends me greatly.

And I see where you changed control, to mean control of the tongue. And in that you are absolutely right. When a person speaks in tongues, they don't have control of their tongue. If they did, they would have to think of what to say next.
Neither do they control the words in their head. And they don't have to be spoken, to be there.

I believe there are others on here that would disagree with you, about my mental state.

RandyWayne · #37 10-24-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Deaf and mute people dont think in tongues upon receiving the Holy Ghost. They SPEAK in tongues just like everyone else.

Or so the urban legends say.

I have also heard from several people over the decades who had an uncle/friend/father of your sisters boyfriend, who had the 1967 Buick that got 45 miles to the gallon until they visited the shop and was told it was installed with the wrong carburetor, at which point it started getting the "normal" 14 mpg after the "correct" one was put back in. This is ALSO an urban legend who's sources are all tantalizingly close, but never verifiable.

Esaias · #38 10-24-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

I apologize for the offense. A person claiming to "think in tongues" is not in control of their mind, if true. The Holy Ghost is by the Spirit's utterance and not by our will or power. If a person is claiming to "think in tongues" they've (in essence) lost their mind and should check themselves into a mental institution.

When I hear the phrase 'think in tongues' it makes me think along these lines:

A person is praying, and begins speaking in tongues, but they do not get loud... they are 'speaking to themselves and to God'. I do believe a person has a certain amount of control over how they respond to the moving of the Spirit, a person can choose not to 'speak out' where everyone can hear.

As far as a person having an experience where they are just thinking to themselves, and suddenly they are 'thinking in tongues', I think we should maybe be a bit careful about judging what is happening. Is it possible for God to give people something to say, before they speak it out? Does this not happen with prophesying, or in getting a revelation? Could it not therefore happen with 'tongues' as well?

But I do believe a person who literally 'loses control of their mind' needs to be extremely careful. In any event, the proof will be in the pudding, er... the fruit of it, anyway.

Esaias · #39 10-24-2013, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Or so the urban legends say.

Are you Pentecostal?

n david · #40 10-24-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by renee819

NO, I am not missing the point. I said that you can control whether you speak in tongues or not.

Right, and that is not what I was talking about. Of course you can control whether or not you choose to speak in tongues; that is not my contention.

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And I see where you changed control, to mean control of the tongue. And in that you are absolutely right. When a person speaks in tongues, they don't have control of their tongue. If they did, they would have to think of what to say next. Neither do they control the words in their head. And they don't have to be spoken, to be there.

This is what I mean by not having control of your tongue. And yes, you did miss the point and go off on other things I wasn't remotely referring to....Charismatics and wild services.

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David, I know that you for some reason, don't like me. You don't know me. But it seems to me that every serious Post that I write, you try to disprove what I say. But to say that there is something wrong with me mentally, and I belong in a mental hospital, is not just rude, it is hateful and shows your spirit. And yes, it offends me greatly.

I believe there are others on here that would disagree with you, about my mental state.

Wait a tick, where do you get that I don't like you? Seriously. You're correct, I don't know you. I've disagreed with your RCC/home church/church buildings are sin posts, but that doesn't mean I don't like you. I've had many disagreements with several liberals on here, but it doesn't mean I don't like them. BTW, I've also agreed with you on a few posts.

Look, I responded a page into this thread, which was started by Berkeley, not you; I responded to the original question posed: "Do you think in tongues."

My initial post had nothing to do with you at all.

My second post did address your post about being in control. I wrote that it was a reason I don't believe people can think in tongues.

The post where I mention that people who think in tongues need to check themselves into a mental institution was a direct response to a request by Berkeley to elaborate on what I meant. I did not quote you, nor was it directed at you. The only reference to you was that you missed the point of my post by going off about Charismatics and wild services.

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Originally Posted by renee819

But to say that there is something wrong with me mentally, and I belong in a mental hospital, is not just rude, it is hateful and shows your spirit. And yes, it offends me greatly.

I'm sorry that you felt I was singling you out; however, that is not what happened. Show me where I did what you claim I did. Show me where I said there's something wrong with YOU mentally, or where I posted that YOU belong in a mental hospital.

Please, show me where I singled YOU out. Never happened.

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Saying you can "think in tongues" is absurd, to be blunt. There is no example in the Bible of someone "thinking in tongues." You can pray in your mind, but you cannot "think in tongues." People who claim to "think in tongues" should check themselves into a mental institution.

The original question was "Do you think in tongues." This answer was a response to Berkeley's request that I elaborate on my answer, not a shot at you.