Does anyone use the Septuagint?

[Scott Pitta]

I found an English translation of Codex Alex. It reads "Father of Eternity"

fun stuff.

[Evang.Benincasa]

.ὅτι παιδίον ἐγεννήθη ἡμῖν, υἱὸς καὶ ἐδόθη ἡμῖν, οὗ ἡ ἀρχὴ ἐγενήθη ἐπὶ τοῦ ὤμου αὐτοῦ, καὶ καλεῖται τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ μεγάλης βουλῆς ἄγγελος, [[θαυμαστὸς σύμβουλος, ἰσχυρός, ἐξουσιαστής, ἄρχων εἰρήνης, πατὴρ τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος ἐγὼ γὰρ ἄξω εἰρήνην ἐπὶ τοὺς ἄρχοντας εἰρήνην καὶ ὑγίειαν αὐτῷ

It literally says, father of the future age.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I know the later part of your statement, but please show me what you found with the Codex Alexandrinus. I have a facsimile somewhere, but was trying to find it after votivesoul posted the Martin G Abegg, Peter Flint, and Ulrich copy, I asked Sister Benincasa, but she doesn't know where I put it. I was just having this discussion this morning with a brother over the phone. Im pretty sure they both say Messenger of Great council. Please find me your information concerning the Codex Alexandrinus.

Per Brenton, at the "mu" footnote for Esaias IX:6, it reads "Alex. + Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty One, Potentate, Prince of Peace, Father of the age to come. Compare Heb. 2.2."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Per Brenton, at the "mu" footnote for Esaias IX:6, it reads "Alex. + Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty One, Potentate, Prince of Peace, Father of the age to come. Compare Heb. 2.2."

Just saw it now at the bottom of the page.

So, much for me looking at the footnotes in a Bible I have used for years.

Thank you.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Just saw it now at the bottom of the page.

So, much for me looking at the footnotes in a Bible I have used for years.

Thank you.

It was probably all that bacon...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It was probably all that bacon...

[Scott Pitta]

Bacon make us better theologians. Or whatever we are !!!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

No, it was Esaias making the comment on Isaiah 9:6 being different in the Codex Alexandrinus. Then I asked for the evidence, and he told me to look in the footnotes of my Sir Lancelot. Then I looked at Isaiah 9:6 in the Codex Alexandrinus Greek, and there it was. No, bacon needed, just a brother with the proper information, and a willing ear on my part. But, now that my brother showed me the way, I'm gon eat!

[TK Burk]

What do you think about this info? I found it today while Googling some Septuagint info.

Women and Wives

The Septuagint is replete with all kinds of wonderful information on women, both good and bad, and how to differentiate between the two. It answers the question of romance and involvement completely, and what to avoid, for both the women and the men that are out their looking for a husband or wife. With the introduction of television and soap operas, we are in about a third generation of women who have been raised on soap opera values, which are the commercial values of the world. And the main job of the merchant is to get us to prostitute ourselves to turn away from what our true calling is in God, and sell ourselves out for the material things of the world.

Today, we sit in some homes and see people treating and acting like these situation comedies, cutting each other down. It's lazy comedy, because they can't really do anything funny, so they have to use shock and embarrassment to make them laugh because they don't know what humor really is. Then people start to imitate this and it destroys the family. And their main target were the wives, mothers, and women because the women are in the home and had the access to the television. And the merchants know that "the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world." Men are supposed to be protecting the women with God's Law.

1) Let's compare Proverbs 5:3-6.

Proverbs 5:3-6 (KJV): "For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil: But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword. Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell. Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them."

This King James verse is pretty muddy. You can get a little bit out of it but not a whole lot. Here's the Septuagint reading:

Proverbs 5:3-6 (LXX): "Give no heed to a worthless woman; for honey drops from the lips of a harlot, who for a season pleases thy palate: but afterwards thou wilt find her more bitter than gall, and sharper than a two-edged sword. For the feet of folly lead those who deal with her down to the grave with death; and her steps are not established. For she goes not upon the paths of life; but her ways are slippery, and not easily known."

Now that doesn't leave too much left to the imagination and speculation, does it? This verse doesn't apply to just women in gender, you can also apply this to the philosopher, or to the feminized man, they do exactly the same thing. So, the sword cuts both ways. The word 'woman' is used here because these are the attributes that a woman of ill-repute exhibits, but these are the same attributes that a feminized man, who is also a man of ill-repute, also exhibits. This applies to everyone who sells themselves out from their calling and their purpose that the Lord has called them towards, which is only revealed in the Word of God; not on a soap opera, not on a sitcom, not on anything that comes out of the media.

2) Now you know why Paul would not suffer a woman to speak in a lawful assembly; he wasn't referring only to sex, he was referring to the effeminate man. Men with feminine characteristics. And this is why the Church has been feminized:

Proverbs 19:15 (KJV): "Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger."

Proverbs 19:15 (LXX): "Cowardice possesses the effeminate man; and the soul of the sluggard shall hunger."

You know, our lives are not reality, they're not real, we've been living according to a script. If you're relying on somebody else's script, what does that tell you about what kind of spirit you have in your heart? It's dead. We live according to the image that we hold in our mind, and we need to have the image we hold in our mind conformed to that of the only begotten Son of God. Otherwise, we're following the script of the world and the images that come over the television.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

What do you think about this info? I found it today while Googling some Septuagint info.

Women and Wives

The Septuagint is replete with all kinds of wonderful information on women, both good and bad, and how to differentiate between the two. It answers the question of romance and involvement completely, and what to avoid, for both the women and the men that are out their looking for a husband or wife. With the introduction of television and soap operas, we are in about a third generation of women who have been raised on soap opera values, which are the commercial values of the world. And the main job of the merchant is to get us to prostitute ourselves to turn away from what our true calling is in God, and sell ourselves out for the material things of the world.

Today, we sit in some homes and see people treating and acting like these situation comedies, cutting each other down. It's lazy comedy, because they can't really do anything funny, so they have to use shock and embarrassment to make them laugh because they don't know what humor really is. Then people start to imitate this and it destroys the family. And their main target were the wives, mothers, and women because the women are in the home and had the access to the television. And the merchants know that "the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world." Men are supposed to be protecting the women with God's Law.

1) Let's compare Proverbs 5:3-6.

Proverbs 5:3-6 (KJV): "For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil: But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword. Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell. Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them."

This King James verse is pretty muddy. You can get a little bit out of it but not a whole lot. Here's the Septuagint reading:

Proverbs 5:3-6 (LXX): "Give no heed to a worthless woman; for honey drops from the lips of a harlot, who for a season pleases thy palate: but afterwards thou wilt find her more bitter than gall, and sharper than a two-edged sword. For the feet of folly lead those who deal with her down to the grave with death; and her steps are not established. For she goes not upon the paths of life; but her ways are slippery, and not easily known."

Now that doesn't leave too much left to the imagination and speculation, does it? This verse doesn't apply to just women in gender, you can also apply this to the philosopher, or to the feminized man, they do exactly the same thing. So, the sword cuts both ways. The word 'woman' is used here because these are the attributes that a woman of ill-repute exhibits, but these are the same attributes that a feminized man, who is also a man of ill-repute, also exhibits. This applies to everyone who sells themselves out from their calling and their purpose that the Lord has called them towards, which is only revealed in the Word of God; not on a soap opera, not on a sitcom, not on anything that comes out of the media.

2) Now you know why Paul would not suffer a woman to speak in a lawful assembly; he wasn't referring only to sex, he was referring to the effeminate man. Men with feminine characteristics. And this is why the Church has been feminized:

Proverbs 19:15 (KJV): "Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger."

Proverbs 19:15 (LXX): "Cowardice possesses the effeminate man; and the soul of the sluggard shall hunger."

You know, our lives are not reality, they're not real, we've been living according to a script. If you're relying on somebody else's script, what does that tell you about what kind of spirit you have in your heart? It's dead. We live according to the image that we hold in our mind, and we need to have the image we hold in our mind conformed to that of the only begotten Son of God. Otherwise, we're following the script of the world and the images that come over the television.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE

More study not only into the LXX but into the Masoretic text is needed. I have to again thank Esaias for pointing out the Isaiah 9:6 as found in Codex Alexandrinus. It opens up some interesting questions concerning the text of the Masoretes. The apostles, Paul, and the Lord Jesus Christ quoted from the LXX, and another Aramaic copy which we have no manuscript available. To know that we do have the original words of Jesus and His followers in our Bible preserved in the Greek language is great.